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Offline BaldEagl

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« on: August 13, 2007, 11:32:11 AM »
I think whoever is within visual range and closest to the perpetrator should get proxie kills whenever one of the following happen:

Bomb & Bail
Auger out
Lose their drones

I was sitting at a VB this weekend.  After surviving several passes by a set of Lancs, first the guy turned too hard and lost his drones (no kills recorded) then flew just out of icon range and augered (no kill recorded).  This happened twice.

Bomb and bail guys are another issue.  You fly all day to get alt to fight them and they just bail out.  At least reward someone for taking the time to make these dweebs wet their pants and bail.

Also lately, I've hit a bomber, watched the other two auger and gotten only one kill for it.  It used to be you'd get 3 (1 plus two proxies).  What happened to the proxie kill system?  Did it change or is it just broke?
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2007, 01:26:32 PM »
I dunno.... but I support
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Offline tedrbr

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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2007, 01:45:01 PM »
So long as there is no real need for bomber perks, a lot of buff drivers won't take the time to RTB to land their planes.  

Some buff pilots do, as they are chasing a score.  Right now, one's score, personal honor/achievement, or landing kills are the only reasons to land a buff.

If they are just hauling eggs, they get back into the air faster by bailing/suicide run.  

Making a change for some people to capitalize on this lemming behavior to get "free points" and "name in lights" is as bad as the original problem of bomb and bail.

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2007, 02:31:27 PM »
As long as you are within 2K and no one has bullets in them, it should work
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2007, 12:05:49 PM »
Here's a fix... make it so you can't reup for 5 mins if you die,4 mins if you bail over enmey territory, and 3 mins if you bail over friendly territory.

That's short enough your night doesnt get ruined, but long enough to encourage people to land.

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2007, 12:38:18 PM »
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Here's a fix... make it so you can't reup for 5 mins if you die,4 mins if you bail over enmey territory, and 3 mins if you bail over friendly territory.

That's short enough your night doesnt get ruined, but long enough to encourage people to land.


One more reason not to fight and one more reason to bail instead of risking getting killed
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2007, 01:45:00 PM »
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Here's a fix... make it so you can't reup for 5 mins if you die,4 mins if you bail over enmey territory, and 3 mins if you bail over friendly territory.

That's short enough your night doesnt get ruined, but long enough to encourage people to land.


Not going to work.  First you will have the RABID B/B/A'ers complain about "ruining" their fun.  Then the furor will die down when the figure out that 4-5 mins is a lot shorter than 20+ to go back and land.   the whole cycle will continue.

No, what is needed is a Negative perk score system.  Say -1 for each drone lost, and -1 for death, -.75 for bail and capture, and -.5 for bail in friendly territory.

Here is how it would work:

Gufus, is a B/B/A dweeb.  He goes up and bombs the FH at field X, but turns to tight and looses both drones trying to get turned around for another pass.  He manages to get lined up for another FH and drops it, but a N1K1 and a 190 are about to dive in on him.  He bails near the field and gets captured.  Lets say his score would normally have added 1.75 perks, but with the new system he lost two drones that's -2, and bailed and got captured that is another -.75, so his perk score would be -1 for that run.

Hiro, is not a dweeb.  He goes up and bombs the FH at field X as well, but is careful and does not loose his drones when turning to make another run.  He drops another hanger, but a N1K1 and a 190 dive in on him.  He mans the guns and manages to get the N1K1, but Hiro's bomber is pretty shot up.  The 190 gets one of his drones, and comes around again to finish the rest of Hiro off.  Hiro, keeps to his guns and manages to drive off the 190 by geting the 190's oil line, but not before the 190 gets Hiro, and he pops into the last drone.  Some time later, Hiro lands.  Lets say that his score for the 2 hangars would have netted him 1.75 perks, and the N1K1 wold have netted him another 1.25 perks, so 3 total perk points.  However he did loose two planes, so -2 perks for that. The grand total perks for that mission 1 perk point

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2007, 02:10:32 PM »
I kind of like that perk subtraction idea but what if the person doesn't have any perks?  Does it go to negative numbers?

Along a similar line their points for the run could be negated by 1/3 for each buff they lose or bail from.  Lose or bail out of all three... 0 points.  This would only be for "uncontested" losses.  If you lost one fighting you'de still get your normal points for it.

Even at that, it doesn't penalize the guy who hasn't gotten to his target yet (I've seen several of these) and it doesn't reward an attacker for trying to climb to stop him then getting shafted for his effort.
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2007, 02:11:50 PM »
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One more reason not to fight and one more reason to bail instead of risking getting killed


This was meant to apply to everything, Fighters/Bombers/GV's

This would discourage people doing banzai runs on CV's, Hangers, etc...  It would also put an end to the the old PT boat/LVT swarm when the CV dies.

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2007, 02:59:38 PM »
Ok, how about your perk score can't go below 0?  Also have no negative modifiers if you land.

In the example above; Hiro brought only one bomber back, say shot up, only 2 engines, multiple fuel leaks, ect...ect.  He keeps the 3 perk points because he landed safely.  

Happy now?

Actually that does sound good.  

It would change the whole dynamic of the game tho.  Flying to land safe to avoid the negative modifiers.  Good fights might drop dramatically, and evolve into a one sided baby seal clubbing.

Offline tedrbr

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2007, 03:25:20 PM »
This negative perk system of yours, Iron_Cross, going to effect the GV'rs and fiter pilots too, or is this simply nerfing only the buff driver award system in the game?

And remember, the buff drivers only have the Arado to use perk points on.  Most buff drivers don't fly it, hence, no need for buff perks, ergo, no reason for them to care if they have 0 buff perks or even negative numbers.

They will continue as they do now.  

Trying to fine tune a game system in order to have the players react as you want them to to the new system almost always fails.  Especially if you are using negative feedback rather than positive rewards.