Dick Cheney says Iraq Invasion is a Quagmire

[crockett]

Originally posted by VWE
Iraq is not a quagmire, if we pull out it will become a quagmire. I'm speaking from personal knowledge because I'm here, stop speaking out of your arse crockett unless you'd like to speak from experience. Just admit on each thread all you care about is Bush bashing regardless of the facts...

Now why on Earth would I want to bash Bush? Could it because he and his admin has lied to us pretty much every step of the way in regards to this war?

Na, I guess I should praise him for that right? This topic you are right is to bash this admin and to show people that they knew exactly what was going to happen and FAILED to plan for it.

I guess anything that sheads bad light on this admin is Bashing them, if so then I'm a basher because I think they suck. Next you will be telling me I don't support our troops and hate America.

Oh as far as experience, you have never seen me post "ANYTHING" in regards to what goes on in Iraq on a day to day basis or if it's getting better or worse. You are right I have no clue on that other than what I see in the media. So you don't see me commit on that.

However, what I DO have a clue on is seeing what these guys say one min then say the next.  Unlike some of you here, I don't accept every word that comes out of their mouths like it's the word of Jesus. I know better and have seen countless video of these guys saying one thing, then saying the total opposite later.

These guys lost any and all support I ever had when Bush gave is State of the Union address and said we were going to attack Iraq. I knew at that moment we didn't have the troops to do both Iraq and Afghan and I knew Afghan would go to crap because of it. I also knew that he was using false intel during his State of the Union address.

So, sorry that I don't get down on my knees and bow to a president whom lies to me and thinks he's the Decider. Sorry buddy but the Decider is the American public, and it's time people understand that.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by crockett
Now why on Earth would I want to bash Bush? Could it because he and his admin has lied to us pretty much every step of the way in regards to this war?

Lied about what?  Let's see.... WMD's?  Well he was wrong in his belief that Saddam had an ongoing program, but that means he was just wrong.  Not necessarily that he lied.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Lied about what?  Let's see.... WMD's?  Well he was wrong in his belief that Saddam had an ongoing program, but that means he was just wrong.  Not necessarily that he lied.

Exactly, we don't know for a fact what they knew, and when they knew it. We also weren't privy to any behind doors discussions. All we know is what the media has told us and information we get from press conferences.

Sure, things have changed in what they have said since the invasion of Iraq simply because some information they had prior was incorrect, other things changed because the situation changed.

I do agree that the invasion force should have been larger. I think the Pentagon (read Rumsfeld) felt that a larger force simply wasn't necessary. In hindsight, he was wrong.

[VWE]

Could it because he and his admin has lied to us pretty much every step of the way in regards to this war?

Go ahead inform us... put your facts out there, members of congress saw the exact same information that this President did and chose to vote on that evidence for this war.

Go on, list it out there for all of us to see what the Bush administration has lied to us about. It should be on the tip of your tongue Mr. back seat driver...

I knew at that moment we didn't have the troops to do both Iraq and Afghan

Really, now your a General in the Army and you know what we can and can't handle? So Mr. smarty pants... tell me, what is the reserve force in the U.S. right now? I know, so being a General you must know the exact number... go ahead and inform those that don't know.

[68Hawk]

Rumsfeld showed himself to be a fool at the time, and hindsight has proven that right.

You don't ever half bellybutton a war, and you don't as a politician second guess your generals.  He scoffed at their assertions and I'm glad he's out of office.  

I stand behind and all our personnel over there!  I hope we don't cut and run, but rather get the job done right!

[crockett]

Holden McGroin,  Elfie, VWE.. There are countless examples I could bring up, but none of them would ever be good enough. You guys clearly don't want to hear anything negative.

We could start with that "Symphony of lies" video that I posted a week ago.. or you could look at the one I posted in this topic.

As I've already posted in this topic, Bush and co "claimed" that they had no idea things would turn bad in Iraq. That is a lie because the video in this very thread shows that Dick Cheney knew exactly what was going to happen.  It's the entire reason we didn't do the job in 91 or at least the excuse they used then.

Of that isn't good enough for you.. So we could talk about the Aluminum rods that Bush used in his State of the Union address, as an Example Iraq was trying to build nuclear weapons. It was already public record that that info had been discredited. (ie the Valery Plaime ordeal)

Of course that will never be good enough.. So we could get on the subject of Valery Plame and show how the admin lied to the American people about saying the leak didn't come from the White House. It of course has been proven to come from Dick Cheney's office.

Of course that's not good enough either.. So we could talk about how the President told us anyone involved in the leak would be held accountable and would no longer work for this admin. Of course that didn't happen either.

We could talk about how they claimed they knew "exactly" where the WMD's were or how they claimed Iraq was involved with 9/11 or how Saddam sponsored terrorists. Yet nothing will ever be good enough for people like you guys, so what's the sense even arguing with you?

I guess it's not lies right just not telling the truth. Nothing anyone says or shows you guys will ever be enough. Simply because it's not about what's right or wrong with you guys it's if you can feel good about backing the President and what you have argued for.

The king has no clothes but you will never see that, no matter what anyone says.

[john9001]

Originally posted by crockett

Of course that will never be good enough.. So we could get on the subject of Valery Plame and show how the admin lied to the American people about saying the leak didn't come from the White House. It of course has been proven to come from Dick Cheney's office.

Of course that's not good enough either.. So we could talk about how the President told us anyone involved in the leak would be held accountable and would no longer work for this admin. Of course that didn't happen either.
 

armitage worked for the state department.

"Armitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson's wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA. (The memo made no reference to her undercover status.) Armitage had met with Novak in his State Department office on July 8, 2003—just days before Novak published his first piece identifying Plame. Powell, Armitage and Taft, the only three officials at the State Department who knew the story, never breathed a word of it publicly and Armitage's role remained secret."

so why wasn't armitage charged? Because no crime had been committed. If fact no one was charged with the "leak".  This plame thing has been gone over and over but you are the one that can't seem to see the truth.

[crockett]

Originally posted by john9001
armitage worked for the state department.

"Armitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson's wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA. (The memo made no reference to her undercover status.) Armitage had met with Novak in his State Department office on July 8, 2003—just days before Novak published his first piece identifying Plame. Powell, Armitage and Taft, the only three officials at the State Department who knew the story, never breathed a word of it publicly and Armitage's role remained secret."

so why wasn't armitage charged? Because no crime had been committed. If fact no one was charged with the "leak".  This plame thing has been gone over and over but you are the one that can't seem to see the truth.

Following the revelations in the Libby indictment, sixteen former CIA and military intelligence officials urged President Bush to suspend Karl Rove's security clearance for his part in outing CIA officer Valerie Plame

Just because he wasn't charged doesn't mean he didn't do it. Or should I say have his hands in it. It was pretyy damn clear Scotter Libby was used as a fall guy, even some of the Jury said that.