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Offline BaldEagl

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« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2007, 05:15:31 PM »
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Wrong.

The kills that do not count for K/D purposes are GV kills in fighter mode. Proxies do.

When I got a proxy kill on BaldEagl yesterday (he augered), that kill did improve my K/D stat.


Did you see my wings snap before the auger?  That's only the second time I've ever snapped off the wings in a Spit because I was going too fast but when you pulled up and I went to follow it was evidently too much for them.
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« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2007, 05:22:08 PM »
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Proxies do not count for rank or points!   You land them, they are recorded as kills, but do not affect rank score or perk points!


You're wrong Skyrock.  As long as they are added to your K/D and K/S they count in your rank and they are, in fact, added to those stats.

The only time kills (in a fighter) don't count toward rank is if they are ground kills in fighter mode or kills in a chute.  Kills of any sort in bombers don't count toward rank.  Those kills are still added to expanded kill stats but on your score page under the kills link at the bottom of the page they are listed as "kills not counted toward rank".
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2007, 05:23:02 PM »
To the original poster.....

Scenario 1: You're flying around and ack hits enemy planes, who then crash into ground. You're credited with a kill.

Scenario 2: You're flying around, and through your skill send several leathal salvo's of lead into an attacking aircraft tearing off several pieces, ailerons, left elevator...maybe hit the engine. Bastage dives into ack, who plasters him and he explodes. Ack gets credit for kill.

Which would you rather have?

Personally, i'd rather get a few gimmes cause I was helping to defend a base, than get robbed of my hard work, ammo, and time because someone didn't want ME to get credit for the kill and suicided into the Ack.
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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2007, 05:23:24 PM »
Ack is good.

If i up from a field and 2-3 enemies are hovering over it at 5-10k you bet ill use ack for what its worth. Im not gonna go out of ack and give them a fair chanse at a cheap kill.

When i attack a base ill let them get out of ack, and not out of kindness or respect, but out of fear of the ack.

Ack is there for a reason and it works both ways :)
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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2007, 05:25:46 PM »
"Sparrow" is spelled with two "r's."
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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2007, 05:32:03 PM »
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You're wrong Skyrock.  As long as they are added to your K/D and K/S they count in your rank and they are, in fact, added to those stats.

The only time kills (in a fighter) don't count toward rank is if they are ground kills in fighter mode or kills in a chute.  Kills of any sort in bombers don't count toward rank.  Those kills are still added to expanded kill stats but on your score page under the kills link at the bottom of the page they are listed as "kills not counted toward rank".

I do not believe this and would have to be shown proof, sorry.  I am certain this was not always so, if you happen to be right.  You could land proxies but they would not show up as kills on your stats pages.
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2007, 05:35:00 PM »
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Proxies do not count for rank or points!   You land them, they are recorded as kills, but do not affect rank score or perk points!


It does not affect perk points. It does not affect rank score points. It is however, a valid kill, it is recorded and it is relevant to your fighter score K/D, unless the proxie kill is a GV.

Yesterday  a Spit 16 augered. Today a A6M2 was torn up by base ack. In both cases I never fired a shot at them. In both cases my K/D went up. I checked my score/stat immediately after I landed.

But I think we could drag this discussion ad infititum unless

A) You start to belive me ;)
B) HTC official statement clears situation or
C) I find someone to do a small test
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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2007, 05:35:24 PM »
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I do not believe this and would have to be shown proof, sorry.  I am certain this was not always so, if you happen to be right.  You could land proxies but they would not show up as kills on your stats pages.


If I see you up one night I'll holler.  I'll give you a free proxie just to prove it to you but you'll have to check your K/D and K/S immediately before and after.  As long as those stats change the rank for them changes and thus your overall rank for the catagory.
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« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2007, 05:47:14 PM »
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Proxies do not count for rank or points!   You land them, they are recorded as kills, but do not affect rank score or perk points!


Given they affect your K/D+1, and given that is a factor in rank, how can they NOT affect rank in some way?
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« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2007, 06:00:39 PM »
I just did a test in EW arena.

Duk190 received a free kill, I bailed when he got close to me.
His kill was announced at landing: "Duk190 has landed 2 victories" (he had shot down one other F4F, no other planes).
On score page, his fighter kill tally went from 225 to 227. His K/D changed accordingly.So did his expanded stats, changed from 237 to 239 kills.
 
So proxy kills DO count for K/D.
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« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2007, 06:09:08 PM »
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I just did a test in EW arena.

Duk190 received a free kill, I bailed when he got close to me.
His kill was announced at landing: "Duk190 has landed 2 victories" (he had shot down one other F4F, no other planes).
On score page, his fighter kill tally went from 225 to 227. His K/D changed accordingly.So did his expanded stats, changed from 237 to 239 kills.
 
So proxy kills DO count for K/D.


Yes, this shouldn't be a debate anymore....and, in fact, I believe they contribute to rank, since they contribute to K/D+1
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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2007, 06:16:06 PM »
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Given they affect your K/D+1, and given that is a factor in rank, how can they NOT affect rank in some way?

Maybe you can help, Talon, do you remember them counting back in the day?  I don't!
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« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2007, 06:24:28 PM »
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Maybe you can help, Talon, do you remember them counting back in the day?  I don't!


Well they count at least since Tour 70. That's when I started to figure out how this whole scoring thing works...
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« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2007, 06:45:19 PM »
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Well they count at least since Tour 70. That's when I started to figure out how this whole scoring thing works...

I understand that you guys are seeing this, and I will go with this, just wondering did they count like this always?
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« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2007, 07:57:31 PM »
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I understand that you guys are seeing this, and I will go with this, just wondering did they count like this always?



as far back as i can remember SkyRock
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