Author Topic: If You Were Developing a Citizenship Test.. (Read 1317 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #30 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:02:32 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
1.) Define and describe Supply and Demand in no fewer then 10 pages.

Ah, so it is "supply and demand" in Eng. Thanks.

Here in Russia anyone who can fit your first two points should be either deported or executed. Unfortunately they are in power now, so they, "free-market" freaks, try to eliminate all the others, such an endlossung of some kind, according to mr. Brzezinsky.

Neubob · « **Reply #31 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:08:47 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
1.) Define and describe Supply and Demand in no fewer then 10 pages.

2.) Describe how this applies to everything. No less then 20 pages.

3.) List all powers the government has in the constition.

4.) List all powers forbidden to the government in the constitution.

5.) List all powers given to the people of the United States.

I believe this place would be so much better if everyone could answer those 5 questions.

1 and 2 are fair

3, 4 and 5 are trick questions, and impossible to answer, as this always has and probably always will be re-examined and redefined by the Supreme Court.

It took an entire semester of Constitutional Law to really galvanize the point of just how constantly evolving this system is in regards to governmental and popular power.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:24:03 PM »

No, 3, 4 and 5 have only ever changed when a new amendment was processed. The words don't morph on the page, they still mean the same things now that they did back then.

Rolex · « **Reply #33 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:30:27 PM »

Understanding supply and demand has little to do with understanding who should hold the keys. Voting and politics is all about subsidies, tariffs, taxes and regulations that push, pull, squeeze and massage supply and demand to form markets these days.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #34 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:35:49 PM »

I made up a test for employers to acertain if an applicant was a citizen:

1. Name 3 John Wayne Movies

2. Name 3 Gary Cooper Movies

3. Who was the 1st Playboy Centerfold?

4. How many fights did Rocky Marciano win?

5. Who was the 1967 Coach of the Green Bay Packers?

6. Explain the infield fly rule.

7. Who Played 1st base on the 1927 Yankees?

8. Who Played 3rd Base on the 1969 Orioles?

9. Name 4 Yankee Managers.

10. What was the name of the B29 that delivered greetings to Nagasaki?

there are 10 other questions, but those are the ones that come to mind now.

Neubob · « **Reply #35 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:44:40 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, 3, 4 and 5 have only ever changed when a new amendment was processed. The words don't morph on the page, they still mean the same things now that they did back then.

The words don't morph. The interpretations do. There're thousands of pages of case law demonstrate this pretty clearly. Situations when the government can tax, when the government can't tax, when the federal government can claim land from a state to set up a federal bank, when it can't, when federal government can collect toll on a road... How and when the Federal Government can impose penalties on farmers for growing one sort of crop verses another... When and how a President can and can't relieve an official of his post, etc...

It's excurtiating and it's ongoing, and it was designed to be that way. If the Constitution was anything but ambiguous, it would be thousands of pages long and still not come close to covering all the ground it has to cover.

Boroda · « **Reply #36 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:50:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I made up a test for employers to acertain if an applicant was a citizen:

1. Name 3 John Wayne Movies

2. Name 3 Gary Cooper Movies

3. Who was the 1st Playboy Centerfold?

4. How many fights did Rocky Marciano win?

5. Who was the 1967 Coach of the Green Bay Packers?

6. Explain the infield fly rule.

7. Who Played 1st base on the 1927 Yankees?

8. Who Played 3rd Base on the 1969 Orioles?

9. Name 4 Yankee Managers.

10. What was the name of the B29 that delivered greetings to Nagasaki?

there are 10 other questions, but those are the ones that come to mind now.

You surely have a strong cultural background.

Expecting other employees to follow your standard is cruel but fair.

I am happy that I can answer only 2 questions out of 10.

Can you please send me a private message explaining why John Wayne Gary Cooper are two persons, not four?

68Wooley · « **Reply #37 on:** August 15, 2007, 11:39:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33

10. What country did the United States win it's independance from?

This question is asked of people applying for citizenship. The official answer incorrectly states 'England'. I've had more than one report of people administering the test taking exception at having this pointed out to them.

Grayeagle · « **Reply #38 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:52:22 AM »

1. English written test, not less than 50 questions at first year college level.. or at the level of schooling their age requires ..high school level for high school age kids .. etc)
2. English oral test, including spelling, also at first year college level.

..a distant 3rd would be a smattering of History, overview of USA Govt heirarchy and how the branches 'work' (and I use the term loosely)
..and some basic knowledge of how the police work and when/why to call 911 and what to expect when you do.

If I moved to Mexico .. I would learn Mexican.

Not gonna learn it to live in the USA.. and those who come here and dont learn to speak English will always be second class citizens IMHO.

-Frank (and yes .. when our family lived in Weisbaden, I learned duetsch, way back when I was a kid )

Vudak · « **Reply #39 on:** August 16, 2007, 01:15:03 AM »

If you're willing to learn English and pay your taxes I could really care less what else you know.

Heck, some of our leaders are dumb as mud. Why can't our regular Joe's be?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 16, 2007, 09:51:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Neubob
The words don't morph. The interpretations do. There're thousands of pages of case law demonstrate this pretty clearly. Situations when the government can tax, when the government can't tax, when the federal government can claim land from a state to set up a federal bank, when it can't, when federal government can collect toll on a road... How and when the Federal Government can impose penalties on farmers for growing one sort of crop verses another... When and how a President can and can't relieve an official of his post, etc...

It's excurtiating and it's ongoing, and it was designed to be that way. If the Constitution was anything but ambiguous, it would be thousands of pages long and still not come close to covering all the ground it has to cover.

The interpretations don't change. Just the people. I can interpret the constitution to say that everyone gets a puppy. That does not mean it's true.

Neubob · « **Reply #41 on:** August 16, 2007, 10:20:54 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The interpretations don't change. Just the people. I can interpret the constitution to say that everyone gets a puppy. That does not mean it's true.

Interpretations change. The Supreme Court re-examines case law all the time, and reverse decisions regularly. Accordingly, the scope of powers are similarly re-examined and re-defined.

You know, Sailor, I think you and I agree on more issues than you think. Gun ownership, the benefits of a small government over a large one, freedom from taxes, the virtues of Central PA... All sorts of stuff.

Lighten up.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #42 on:** August 16, 2007, 10:28:55 AM »

You missed the point. It's not the interpretations that change, but the people interpreting them.

Neubob · « **Reply #43 on:** August 16, 2007, 10:31:42 AM »

Okay, the people change, and those people have the power to re-define the law in regards to what is and what is not constitutional. The words of the document stay the same, but their effect evolves...What do you call that?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 16, 2007, 10:44:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Neubob
Okay, the people change, and those people have the power to re-define the law in regards to what is and what is not constitutional. The words of the document stay the same, but their effect evolves...What do you call that?

Unconstitutional use of power.