Let's go fishing...

[Maverick]

Nope

[Rolex]

B? AB?

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Maverick
Nope I didn't say YOU are chicken little, just the fictional dramitization you posted. Or are you saying you really went through this situation on a law that has not gone into effect yet.

If a 1764 New England colonist wrote of a time when the King would heavily tax him in the future without representation, is he a Chicken Little?

If a 1938 Warsaw jew wrote about the danger of being pushed into a ghetto and being starved to death, would he be Chicken Little?

If a 1969 university student wrote about the danger of National Guard firing into a crowd of protesters, would he/she be a Chicken Little?

The stuff in the original post here isn't just being pulled out of the air, the legal framework is being constructed to make it a possibility.  If you told someone in 1950 that in the near future, all air travelers would need to present drivers licenses and be physically searched every time they got on a plane, he'd laugh at you.  But we're being worked into a slow lather about things in a way that's desensitizing us to the real problems.  It's the old frog in hot water analogy.  You throw the frog in a pot of hot water, he jumps out.  But if you put him in cool water and gradually warm it, he doesn't notice until it's too late.

[Rolex]

This is why I erased it after first writing it. I knew this happen.

I knew some people would not grasp that the story was fiction, just a dramatization, to introduce the reality of the how the federal government will coerce states into complying with Real ID. Sure they don't have to comply, but their residents will force their legislatures to comply when faced with the inconveniences that will come from non compliance.

States are being forced into subservience to the federal government.

I should have just posted a picture of a fish.

[BigGun]

Well it is a good thing we aren't taxed without representation then. It is called voting. That is your representation.

And I fly a lot. Anywhere from 50k-100k annually. I am still trying to recall if I have been physically searched. Step back and think of what this post is implying is just around the corner. Does it make rational sense? Hardly.

[storch]

it wouldn't be the first time states have clashed with the feds over issues.  one hundred forty two years ago ended a big clash over the issue of states rights.  the feds have been gaining ground steadily ever since.

[Maverick]

Chairboy you left out that other bit of writing about the coming apocolypse called "Red Dawn".

Rolex,

My blood type is simply not your concern, unless you need a transfusion. In that case I recomend you seek competant medical assistance rather than the internet. It is red however. If you are going to do a personal attack, simply get on with it.

I would have thought that posting a link with a bit of a comment would have gotten the message across without the need for the fiction. You might have a future in the script writing or novel industry however.

[Chairboy]

Maverick: Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.  You're free to be the trusting sort who doesn't think he has to worry about big boy subjects like Constitutional  rights, that's your choice.  

Personally, I feel a more sensible doctrine in life is to hope for the best while preparing for the worst.  If there's something I as a citizen can do to salt the earth in which oppression grows, I'll do it.  It's a fool who waits until that plant bears its poisonous fruit before caring.

[Shamus]

I would be interested in knowing what would happen to a person who had no passport in a State that did not comply with the new guidelines who was called for Federal jury duty?

Would a warrant be issued for him after he no showed because he was turned away at the door?

shamus

[Chairboy]

Shamus: Something very similar happened recently to someone who had a court date as the defendant and was turned away because he/she didn't have ID to get into the courthouse.  That's a paddlin.

So, yeah.

[Maverick]

Chairboy,

The danger with making a fictional prophetic situation about a circumstance that does not yet exist is that the fiction may be a bit "over the top". If it is written in a manner that is so obviously untrue in present circumstances it begs to be disregarded. Hence my comment about linking the article and providing a bit of commentary rather than the "story" he did provide. That is the sum total of my point with Rolex. That is also why I specifically answered his question about whether I was calling him "chicken little".

I am also not yet ready to dismiss the court system and it's responsibility to provide the check against unconstitutional intrusions as totally ineffective. Unfortunately there is a bit of lag at times in the exercise of the system but so far it has been working. I don't think the system is really broken but it could use a tune up for sure.

[Chairboy]

What of 1984, the preposterous fiction that couldn't possibly be true...  except now it is, in some places more than others.  England is heavily wired with CCTV, China has just purchased a massive surveillance system to try and one-up even that, the US, well, that's a different thread.

What about Animal Farm, why, that's just craz-  oh wait, the USSR.

Believe it or not, it's possible for fiction to serve as a warning of things that, left unchecked, will come or are in the process of being made.

[Meatwad]

"Gestapo States of America"

[Toad]

All the angst and worry yet 99% of the people in this thread will vote in 2008 for a person running for President that wants to continue to expand the power of the Federal government.

I, otoh, will vote for Ron Paul.  

So, when your kid asks you in 20 years who is to blame for the loss of our Constitutional rights you will at least be able to say..."well, I know one thing for sure... it wasn't Toad."

[Chairboy]

I'm thinking Ron Paul too.  It'll be interesting to see how his campaign develops.

Here's a handy chart of where folks sit on the issues:

http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=868063604&size=o