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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2007, 09:19:21 AM »
if you read akh's site...

read this one too.

http://www.junkscience.com/

I have others.

Truth is...  19,000 people with advanced degrees have signed a petition of their own free will (and they won't even get grant money) saying that the math doesn't add up.

That there is no way that co2 is causing global warming.  

What are the hardships today?  anyone notice?    anyone drown?  starve to death?   more people are killed by cold last year than heat.

When will the disaster strike?   every year we put it off and... nothing happens... no floods... no starvation.. no one is saved from freezing to death or burning up.

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« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2007, 01:35:24 PM »
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if you read akh's site...

read this one too.

http://www.junkscience.com/


Ah, the aptly named junk science site.  See previous comments on self professed experts who do little more than opine their ignorance.
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I have others.

Of that there is little doubt.

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Truth is...  19,000 people with advanced degrees have signed a petition of their own free will (and they won't even get grant money) saying that the math doesn't add up.

Further troubles with truth...

The infamous Oregon petition of 1998.  I think you'll find that the 19,000 signatories that you quote includes such scientific luminaries as Drs Frank Burns, B. J. Honeycutt and Benjamin Franklin Pierce.  OISM themselves only claim 17,200 (or is it 17,100 - they don't seem too sure.)

"Virtually every scientist in every field got it," says Robert Park, a professor of physics at the University of Maryland at College Park and spokesman for the American Physical Society. "That's a big mailing." According to the National Science Foundation, there are more than half a million science or engineering PhDs in the United States, and ten million individuals with first degrees in science or engineering.

So, let's see if the numbers add up.  Let's assume that all 17,200 of the signatures were valid as claimed.

17,200 / (500,000 + 10,000,000) = 0.0016 or 0.16% of the community.

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That there is no way that co2 is causing global warming.


Well, according to the "peer reviewed scientific paper" (http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm) mailed out with the petition, the earth was actually cooling, not warming:



Empirical evidence shows this to be the crock that it was (and remains.)

The petition was so misleading that the National Academy of Science issued a news release stating that: "The petition project was a deliberate attempt to mislead scientists and to rally them in an attempt to undermine support for the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was not based on a review of the science of global climate change, nor were its signers experts in the field of climate science."

junk science indeed...

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What are the hardships today?  anyone notice?    anyone drown?  starve to death?   more people are killed by cold last year than heat.

When will the disaster strike?   every year we put it off and... nothing happens... no floods... no starvation.. no one is saved from freezing to death or burning up.


What part of "increased probability and magnitude of extreme weather events" do you have difficulty understanding?
« Last Edit: August 20, 2007, 02:38:20 PM by AKH »
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« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2007, 02:35:54 PM »
LOL akh..  so 19,000 people with advanced degrees who were not paid a penny is insignificant but the 2500 who were paid to do the UN study and of which only a handful had any degree in any climate science... they are significant?

Not only that but .. yes the site says that only 17,000 have been verified.. that doesn't mean the other 2,000 aren't real... just not verified yet.

as for your increased chance of.... of what?  "extreme weather events"???? hwo does co2 cause extreme weather events?   now you are really stretching.

Is that like the prediction of "worst hurricane season ever"???

oops... didn't happen but... it was very mild so I guess that is an extreme too?

Yeah that covers it... whatever the weather does... it can be blamed on man now..   too cold?  man   Too hot?  man   Too many hurricanes?  man  Not enough hurricanes?  man

I am still waiting for you to prove that our contribution to co2 is doing anything at all to the planet other than increasing crop yeild a bit... if you can.. there is $100,000 in it for ya.

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« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2007, 03:33:44 PM »
I'm not really trying to weigh in on this too much as it's not my area of training, but we CAN and SHOULD do something about the smog in our cities and the runoff in our rivers, warming or not.
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« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2007, 03:34:11 PM »
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LOL akh..  so 19,000 people with advanced degrees who were not paid a penny is insignificant but the 2500 who were paid to do the UN study and of which only a handful had any degree in any climate science... they are significant?

A handful - how many is that?
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Not only that but .. yes the site says that only 17,000 have been verified.. that doesn't mean the other 2,000 aren't real... just not verified yet.

Yet? Nine years and counting.
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as for your increased chance of.... of what?  "extreme weather events"???? hwo does co2 cause extreme weather events?   now you are really stretching.

IPCC reports - have you ever read them?  It certainly doesn't appear to be the case.
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Yeah that covers it... whatever the weather does... it can be blamed on man now..   too cold?  man   Too hot?  man   Too many hurricanes?  man  Not enough hurricanes?  man

Feel free to put your words into my mouth...
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I am still waiting for you to prove that our contribution to co2 is doing anything at all to the planet other than increasing crop yeild a bit... if you can.. there is $100,000 in it for ya.

Nobody is going to win that challenge, simply because of the rigged rules.  Tell you what, using the same rules, I'll give you $100,000 if you can prove that you're not a fool.  $50 per entry.
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« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2007, 06:44:16 PM »
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angus... I am inhaling some amount of co2 as we speak... my guess is that it is the same amount that you are.

There are lots of links to "real science" but the fact remains.... no one can prove that any amount of co2 will have any real effect on the warming of the planet in anything but a flawed computer model.

Even the most rabid (except akh) are backing off of co2 as the great demon.

lazs


We now have proof Lazs doesn't read the posts before responding to them:

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Scored just fine on the test. Can't beat 100% though. But if Lazs inhales some amont of CO I will beat him.
(that statement is also a test)


As for CO2 being a great demon, it is in some respect: CO2 warms the earth a little, enough to melt some permafrost, releasing CH4 (methane), which warms the earth a lot, releasing more methane, which warms a lot, releasing even more methane. CO2 may not do much, but it does enough. It is the fuse to the dynamite.

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« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2007, 09:17:48 AM »
akh... why is it that lefties like  yourself are the biggest supporters of the whole man made global er... global... whatever is happening?

so ya got nothing?   maybe the scientist mcfarland can help you.. he thinks breathing some co2 will make you stupid.

He also has nailed down the whole thing with the precise term of "a little" when referring to co2 and warming... pretty much a back down from the real scientists terms of "significant" and "almost certainly some"

I am dazzled by the math.    

Ya say there is a consensus of scientists but the 17,000 (give you that) that sign that co2 can't be causing it... they are not a consensus even tho only 2500 signed the UN trash... and most have backed off or said their views were distorted.   17 at least have even sued to get their name off the document.

I certainly would not site that one.

Show me the math... leave out the lefty emotion and show me the math...

the contest is not rigged... it simply says that you have to show the numbers... to you it is rigged because it doesn't allow emotion and wishy washy "almost" or significant".

no one can even give me a defenition of "average global temperature"   I don't really think anything even slightly accurate can be done... look for a chart... look how it was made.   If you take weather balloon and sat data... it hasn't warmed at all here in the US in two decades...

No scientist that I know of here... has ever even looked at the flawed weather stations they so glibbly use as data.

It is a scam.

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« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2007, 03:07:53 PM »
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akh... why is it that lefties like  yourself are the biggest supporters of the whole man made global er... global... whatever is happening?

It's people like yourself who seem to be confused about what is happening.  First you deny that the warming is occuring, then you claim that the warming is exclusively natural (ITS THE SUN STUPID), now you are claiming it's not warming again?  Come on man, stop flip-flopping and make your mind up...
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so ya got nothing?   maybe the scientist mcfarland can help you.. he thinks breathing some co2 will make you stupid.

Unlike you, McFarland knows enough about science to tell the difference between CO (carbon monoxide) and CO2 (carbon dioxide.)
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He also has nailed down the whole thing with the precise term of "a little" when referring to co2 and warming... pretty much a back down from the real scientists terms of "significant" and "almost certainly some"

A little CO (that's carbon monoxide) can have a significant effect on your health.
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I am dazzled by the math.
   
Bamboozled more likely.
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Ya say there is a consensus of scientists but the 17,000 (give you that) that sign that co2 can't be causing it... they are not a consensus even tho only 2500 signed the UN trash... and most have backed off or said their views were distorted.   17 at least have even sued to get their name off the document.

Most as in nearly all, or at least one more than half, or most as in a handful?  Likewise, you should have little trouble in naming the 17 that sued to have their names removed.
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I certainly would not site that one.

If you can cite real junk science, I'm sure that I can cite real science.
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Show me the math... leave out the lefty emotion and show me the math...

Certainly.  Let's see the evidence to support your theory first though. Please be so good as to limit the evidence to just one of the theories.
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the contest is not rigged... it simply says that you have to show the numbers... to you it is rigged because it doesn't allow emotion and wishy washy "almost" or significant".

From the rules:

2. Entrants acknowledge that the concepts and terms mentioned and referred to in the UGWC hypotheses are inherently and necessarily vague, and involve subjective judgment. JunkScience.com reserves the exclusive right to determine the meaning and application of such concepts and terms in order to facilitate the purpose of the contest.
3. JunkScience.com, in its sole discretion, will determine the winner, if any, from UGWC entries. All determinations made by JunkScience.com are final.

Not convinced? Let's rewrite them for the "Laz is a fool challenge:"

2. Entrants acknowledge that the concepts and terms mentioned and referred to in the Laz is fool hypotheses are inherently and necessarily vague, and involve subjective judgment. AKH reserves the exclusive right to determine the meaning and application of such concepts and terms in order to facilitate the purpose of the contest.
3. AKH, at his sole discretion, will determine the winner, if any, from Laz is a fool entries. All determinations made by AKH are final.

Go on, put your money where your mouth is, or can you only talk the talk?
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no one can even give me a defenition of "average global temperature"   I don't really think anything even slightly accurate can be done... look for a chart... look how it was made.   If you take weather balloon and sat data... it hasn't warmed at all here in the US in two decades...

You don't look very hard, do you. Two minutes with Google.
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No scientist that I know of here... has ever even looked at the flawed weather stations they so glibbly use as data.

You're wrong. Easily verified.
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It is a scam.

Not another nutjob conspiracy theory, please.
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« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2007, 03:25:26 PM »
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« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2007, 03:29:22 PM »
CO (Carbon monoxide) and CO2 (carbon dioxide) are totally different.  Carbon monoxide is a deadly odorless poison, carbon dioxide is a by-product of respiration.