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« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2007, 11:27:39 PM »
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sigh ... here I go again ... I may actually be 10 times worse than your nephew, or 10 times milder, but the manifestation is different. Rainman is a portrayal of a single case not a general overall trait.


No one here made a rainman comparison except yourself. Quite the opposite, I mentioned above that some of the more brilliant programmers I've met are excellent at problem solving.

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If you truly had a real clue, the first two things you would know is:
a) No two people with ASDs will have the same symptoms.
b) The thinking and learning abilities of people with ASDs can vary – from gifted to severely challenged.


Though I've only met 3 people diagnosed with autism (and none were posting on a BBS telling people they had no clue :rolleyes: ) I will have to take your "word" for it.  They were charming people, with never displaying a defensive stance such as yours. I'm not doubting your autism, but apparently your manners are telling of your defensive stance you taken since childhood and living with your autism.  Perhaps you just don't like me all these years, I hope thats the case rather than an automatic defensive stance on the autism issue. You should feel good about yourself without having to resort to personal attacks.

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But as one who has spent 60 years living with ADS ... through all the treatments, drugs, therapy groups et el ... I am always pleased to discuss it with someone who has a relative with whom they do not live 7 x 24 that understands it far better than I ... who knows they may have the miracle cure.


I don't think I stated I know autism better than you, just my experiences with those who were inflicted. Perhaps you could show me the post where I stated I knew it better than you? Thanks in advance.

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I have worked with mathematicians that think I am a genius (I'm Not) and I've worked with plumbers who wonder how I dress each morning without injuring myself.


Could be the plumbers put you in defensive mode that you're showing in the sharp attacks of this thread against me?  I'm no enemy of yours MrBill, just stating my experiences of the people I've had the pleasure to be around that had autism,in my life, up to this point....

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As stated "I have never wished, even for a minute, that I could be like everyone else."
Good for you, nor should you be.
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« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2007, 11:33:24 PM »
<--- made the rain man comments.

sorry mr. bill.  it was in poor taste.

i scored a 27.  i was surprized that i was in the above average category.

found it rather odd.
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« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2007, 11:39:20 PM »
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<--- made the rain man comments.

sorry mr. bill.  it was in poor taste.

i scored a 27.  i was surprized that i was in the above average category.

found it rather odd.


Oh, didn't see that. I stand corrected.

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« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2007, 12:02:12 AM »
I have to say the whole "autism" is an epidemic in our country is BS...

I just think more people have developed different types of interaction, and the way we grow up in the amazingly different types of environment challenges how we relate to someone from an entirely different / opposite way of growing up / learning to relate.


with the way people move about across the world now compared to even 50 years ago is astounding. the "different" type of people one meets in life today is nothing like back in oh the 50's or so.


that may artificially draw out responses that are different from the norm.

that being said my score was 26, and I have always known I am not good socially, and for those of you who HAVE met me you know I am not the "life of the party" yet society seems to say we all need to be social butterflies, an abundance of friends, and a social calendar that is so full we have to turn down events.

of course that is what "media" and such portrays with "well adjusted characters in movies and shows.

we do have an over dependency on getting entertainment, AND how to live our lives from what I may say is "hollywood"
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2007, 12:08:35 AM »
I got 16.  Sorry to hear about your 19 year old, I can relate (though I don't think on par to a father losing a son).  My brother died when he was 28, driving home from work.  He fell asleep and hit a tree.
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« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2007, 12:32:46 AM »
Sorry Rip, I apologize, I have no animosity at all towards you personally.

All these quotes are out of context.

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A truly full-blown autistic person would most likely not even be able to take the test, nor complete it, without help.


This statement is blatantly incorrect for far more than half of all ADS afflicted. So now I'm off on the wrong foot to begin with.

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How do I know this? One of my nephews has high functioning autism.


Ok, I do not know if you Know it, or if you have just heard it from his parents. Being as I was off on the wrong foot to begin with this sounds like one of the third hand "they said" comments ... It probably was not intended to be, but I took it that way, I apologize.

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Sounds like your form is quite mild comparatively.


Now I'm at the "Thanks doc, I sure appreciate all your hard work getting all those medical degrees just to help me out." stage.

So we both made some mistakes in communication ... watermelon happens ...

I truly hope that soon they can help your nephew with his plight ... the dark end of the spectrum can be a terrible ordeal indeed.
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« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2007, 07:57:48 AM »
What some don't seem to understand here is that there are many levels of autism.  On the extreme end you have those kids who are almost completely self-contained.  They barely interact with the outside world and probably will never be able to live life unassisted.  On the mild end you have Aspergers.  My son is borderline Aspergers, depending on which test and which doctor you talk to.  He does VERY well in school, and is a very bright boy, but his social skills are lacking, he gets focused on a single topic sometimes and has difficulty letting it go.  He will go on to lead a normal life (assuming i do my job as a parent) but there will definitely be challenges for him.

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« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2007, 10:45:21 AM »
My brother-in-law is a stay at home dad and writes a parenting column in the Juneau newspaper (Juneau Empire – Alaska).   His last article was published just a couple days ago and had to do with autism; here it is:

Autism and the Blame Game
 
    At Home With The Kids
    By Michael Wittig
 
 
    I may be to blame for my daughter’s autism.
 
    Last year the Israeli army released a study in which men over 40 were found to be almost six times as likely to father autistic children as men in their twenties.
 
    Or maybe it was my wife. Another study, released in July of this year, suggests that women who live near agricultural areas where pesticides are used produce offspring with higher incidences of autism.
 
    Perhaps the pharmaceutical industry is to blame. Some people claim their children became autistic after getting immunizations in which mercury was present in trace amounts, pointing to a 1998 case study (this study was later retracted, but the premise remains popular).
 
    There are many published studies claiming to have found autism links. Personally, I believe most of these studies have merit, but they all miss the point.
 
    The Autism Society of America claims that one in every 166 children born today is autistic. They also claim this number has been increasing, although some of the increase is probably due to an increased awareness of autism spectrum disorders in our society.
 
    I accept the premise that autism rates are on the rise, and I have my own theory as to why: we live in a world dependent upon chemistry.
 
    We use pesticides to deter insects and other pests from eating our crops in order that we may have enough food to eat. We feed hormones to livestock to speed their growth rate or increase their milk production. We add preservatives to processed foods to prolong their shelf life. We vaccinate our population to control the spread of disease, and use medicines to limit the impact of diseases we do contract.
 
    Without these chemicals most of us would die from disease or starvation, if we were lucky enough to be born at all.
 
    Chemicals drive our industries and create products we buy and use every day. These industries and many of their products add chemical pollutants to our air and water. People also use chemicals of all sorts, often improperly and to excess, causing more pollution in our environment.
 
    New chemicals come into use daily. Occasionally, chemicals are banned from use because their harmful effects become readily apparent. Unfortunately, the harmful effects of many chemicals are not readily apparent, and interactions between chemicals often cause unintended consequences.
 
    Mankind has always been exposed to chemicals, but the complexity and concentrations of chemicals to which we are exposed surged during the past century, especially within the last fifty years.
 
    This is the same time frame during which autism rates have been rising.
 
    All my life, I have been exposed to chemicals. The same thing is true of my wife. The same thing is true of every last one of us. Every year we add to our lives, we add more chemicals into our bodies.
 
    Is it so much of a stretch to imagine that a lifetime of exposure to many chemicals increases the risk to our unborn children? Is it hard to believe that young children in a chemistry-dependent society are at a greater risk from these chemicals?
 
    This is my autism theory. I have no proof other than the circumstantial evidence provided here, but I have seen many other theories presented with less evidence and accepted as fact.
 
    If this theory is correct, what are the prospects for my children, for all our children? What of their children? Is there anything we could do to reduce the risks to them?
 
    We could choose to buy organically grown foods, or at least wash the fresh produce we buy. We could avoid meat from animals tainted by added hormones, or fed with pesticide-treated feeds (most store-bought meats). We could cut out processed foods laden with preservatives. We could filter the water we drink.
 
    We could also encourage our children, and all people who want to have children, toward an active lifestyle. Exercise increases the body’s metabolism, and flushes toxins from flesh and bone.
 
    Lifestyle changes like these may or may not reduce the risk of autism, and some of these changes would be difficult for many people. Then again, wouldn’t taking better care of ourselves be better than playing the blame game?