For all you Bush Lovers

[Shifty]

Originally posted by CAP1
ok.....after seeing this, i KNOW without a doubt that he didn;t lie to us about the war as i've thought all along. he's just too dam stupid to have lied that well. so who's REALLY running the country now? can't be this waste of spermmmm.......

I love how people call Bush stupid.

He beat both Albore and Ferry.

That says a lot for your candidates.

[SkyRock]

Paul makes a lot of sense.   Cheney is a crook.  Hillary is a bafoon.  Obama is a fool.  Guliani is a weirdo.  Edwards is a sweet wrist.  Thompson is a lazy lard arse.  Bush is a moron that should be made to spend a tour in al sadr city in an unarmored Humvee.  

Out.

[lazs2]

charon... I would disagree with you about hillary... she is mean spirited and arrogant to a fault..  she would have no trouble getting together with her sewing circle of mean old lady democrats and banning as many firearms as she could along with adding untold restrictions.

4deck.. with friends like you ron paul doesn't even need his worst enemy... himself.   at least you are "passionate about what he believes"  one of you should be.

What straw poll did he come out ahead in btw?    

lazs

[68Hawk]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Better question.   What is the difference between a Republican and a Democrat?

Nothing.   They lie, cheat and steal like brothers and sisters.    Piss on them both.

Absolutely!

This is the key to helping out country, realizing this and rejecting the people who are so entrenched in partisan politics and special interests.

A partyless Obiwan Kenobi is our only hope.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by 68Hawk
Absolutely!

This is the key to helping out country, realizing this and rejecting the people who are so entrenched in partisan politics and special interests.

A partyless Obiwan Kenobi is our only hope.

As true as this is, I fear that the Republicans and Democrats are too firmly entrenched, both in the mindset and traditions' of American politics, to be upset by a candidate going alone. Any candidate will need a party in back of them that is established at quite a few different levels. The current two are just too powerful for an outsider to break, IMHO.

[68Hawk]

You're probably right Frode, but the agency for this lays with the voters.  If the voters would reject the partied clowns and truly vote for an independent they could win and prove the jokers wrong.

The more the parties and the media paint our decision as one vs. one, right vs. left, the more they reinforce this dangerous misconception.  It only serves their own interests.

Realistically speaking we may have to pick one of the lesser evils from the parties, but that's why we keep having a choice of lessers.  If it wasn't for the primaries and the horror of campaign financing we might actually get a decent candidate in office, and the parties certainly wouldn't want that.

[FrodeMk3]

I agree. You could also say that nothing, so much as politics, proves the old saying that "money is the root of all evil."

All that anyone in either party does anymore is to take money from people who tell them what to do, or how to vote. Of course, for the right amount of money, you can buy a vote yourself...But if you have that much cash around, you don't need to worry about much, anyway.

[68Hawk]

You have to worry about any policy that may threaten that cash, and you have to worry about getting more...

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by john9001
you guys will love Hillary, she gives great speech, all lies but it sounds great.

No matter what she said, Hillary could jump 15 points in the polls if she stopped shouting, spoke calmly, and turned up the volume of the PA.

When she shouts over the crowd to make a point, she sounds like the mother in law from hell.

[Charon]

charon... I would disagree with you about hillary... she is mean spirited and arrogant to a fault.. she would have no trouble getting together with her sewing circle of mean old lady democrats and banning as many firearms as she could along with adding untold restrictions.

She won't get my vote regardless. But, neither will Rudy, Obama or Romny. I MIGHT vote for McCain as a lesser of two evils in a weak moment if he's the candidate and MIGHT vote for Thompson if he can convince me he is more of small gov. guy like he says he is. Newt -- who knows. Richardson from the Democrats would get my vote before Rudy McRomny, holding my nose in the process.

But, probably, I will waste my vote on a write in like Paul. Agree with most of his positions, certainly not all, and certainly don't think he has a real chance to go all the way. Now it doesn't much matter in my state -- Hillary or Obama will get the nod -- but I would probably do that regardless for reasons I have stated in the past. The Republican party needs to understand that pushing a a big government RINO like Rudy as the alternative to Hillary is not something that can be tolerated.

For me it comes down to the state and congressional elections, but I regularly get screwed by the RINOS at both the state and federal level. I will, however, vote for any democratic alternative to my NRA F rated Congressman until they run someone who supports my needs and that doesn't pander to Daley and the suburban bliss ninnies.

Charon

[Charon]

Rudy really helped with NY ever since he was elected he has made NY a better state he has cleaned up the violence and helped greatly with the 911 attack.

Well, a lot of people disagree. From those that point out a trend in lower crime nationwide during the period; to those that point out initiatives started under his predecessor, to those that point out an extra 7000 officers on the street from federal funding he had nothing to do with; to those that point out he has shifted a variety of crimes into areas not tracked by the FBI; to those that point out he encouraged the underreporting of crime (like we find in Chicago under Daley, btw); to those that point out his police commissioner Bill Bratton was responsible for much of what he takes credit for at the specific program level.

From wikpidia (I know the source isn't the best, but this is not new material by any means):

During Giuliani's administration, crime rates dropped, continuing the trend that had begun under his predecessor, Dinkins, in 1990.[58] Giuliani's presidential campaign website has described the drop as occurring under his leadership.[59] The extent to which his policies deserve the credit is disputed, however. A small but significant nationwide drop in crime preceded Giuliani's election, and he may have been the beneficiary of a trend already in progress. Additional contributing factors to the overall decline in crime during the 1990s were federal funding of an additional 7,000 police officers and an overall improvement in the national economy. Many experts believe changing demographics were the factor most responsible for crime rate reductions, which were similar across the country during this time.[60] Because the crime index is based on the FBI crime index, which is self-reported by police departments, some have alleged that crimes were shifted into categories that the FBI doesn't collect.[61]

Giuliani's supporters cite studies concluding that New York's drop in crime rate in the '90s and '00s exceeds all national figures and therefore should be linked with a local dynamic that was not present as such anywhere else in the country: "most focused form of policing in history. Zimring (Frank Zimring — The Great American Crime Decline) estimates that up to half of New York’s crime drop in the 1990s, and virtually 100 percent of its continuing crime decline since 2000, has resulted from policing."

Bratton, not Giuliani, was featured on the cover of Time Magazine in 1996.[62] Giuliani forced Bratton out of his position after two years, in what was generally seen as a battle of two large egos in which Giuliani was unable to accept Bratton's celebrity.[63]

Giuliani's term also saw allegations of civil rights abuses and other police misconduct. There were several police shootings of unarmed suspects,[64] and the scandals surrounding the sexual torture of Abner Louima and the killings of Amadou Diallo and Patrick Dorismond. Giuliani supported the Police Department, for example by releasing what he called Dorismond's "extensive criminal record" to the public, including a sealed juvenile file.[65]

And just exactly, and specifically, what great leadership did he show after 911? And none of this "held held the city together..." The people of NY held themselves together from the firemen rushing up the stairs to the orderly evacuation in the clouds of dust to the volunteers searching through the wreckage without any great mustering by the mayor.

Then of course, there is his well documented pissing on the Constitution in regards to the 2nd -- those mean evil assault weapons linked to a whopping 1-2 percent of all firearm homicide. Read the quoted materials above before you listen to him talk of his successes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ99sBfdqE0


Charon

[Furious]

Our country's best?  How can this current list of candidates not make you sad?

[Halo]

I'll vote for the candidate who:

balances the budget,
solves the Mid East mess,
allows women to decide their own abortion issues,
preserves citizen gun rights,
controls immigration,
balances federal and state rights,
balances government responsibilities with individual privacy,
brings about a viable United States of North America,
keeps China happy short of war,
convinces terrorists not to terrorize,
rewards the enterprising and comforts the needy,
promotes the environment,
nurtures capitalism,
preserves social security,
preserves American military deterrence,
encourages global disarmanent,
promotes global well being and harmony,
makes trading partners, not enemies, out of all nations.

I probably forgot something, but that's close enough to earn my vote.

[JBA]

just keep re-electing great Americans like this.............

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
He had earlier written Bilbo "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side"........Robert Byrd Democrat West Virginia. holding the titles Kleagle (recruiter) and Exalted Cyclops,,KKK

and this.....

Filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
 
A recent photo of Byrd speaking on the Senate floorByrd joined with other Southern and border state Democrats to filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1964, personally filibustering the bill for 14 hours — a move he now says he regrets. Despite an 83 day filibuster in the Senate, both parties in Congress voted overwhelmingly in favor of the Act, and President Johnson signed the bill into law.

 He also opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965, but voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1968. In 2005, Byrd told the Washington Post that his membership in the Baptist church led to a change in his views. In the opinion of one reviewer, Byrd, along with other Southern and border state Democrats, came to realize that he would have to temper "his blatantly segregationist views" and move to the Democratic Party mainstream if he wanted to play a role nationally.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Halo
I'll vote for the candidate who:

balances the budget,
solves the Mid East mess,
allows women to decide their own abortion issues,
preserves citizen gun rights,
controls immigration,
balances federal and state rights,
balances government responsibilities with individual privacy,
brings about a viable United States of North America,
keeps China happy short of war,
convinces terrorists not to terrorize,
rewards the enterprising and comforts the needy,
promotes the environment,
nurtures capitalism,
preserves social security,
preserves American military deterrence,
encourages global disarmanent,
promotes global well being and harmony,
makes trading partners, not enemies, out of all nations.

I probably forgot something, but that's close enough to earn my vote.

but I am not running...