Question for the comminty..

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Lusche
If you turn your own engine sound completely down, you can quite precicely determine the position of enemy cons outside your view, especially in furball situations.

But I can already pretty much accurately determine the position with the surround sound system I have.  

I just don't see how having engine sound turned all the way down will give someone such an advantage that they'll win the fight.  *shrug*


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[Stang]

If you have to game your sounds to have an advantage in SA, you probably suck anyway.

I do turn my engine sound down a bit to hear vox.  All the way up half the people come in too quiet to hear.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Dm6
U only have an advantage if the other player does not adjust their sounds.

How so?

[Meatwad]

I have some of the GV sounds turned down or off simply because they are annoying.  

One of them is turning off the tread sound. Drives me crazy so I just turned it off completely.

[crockett]

I turn all my inside cockpit sounds down. That way I can turn my overall volume up to hear Vox better.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I don't see how I get any sort of tactical benefit with having my internal engine sound turned down.  The only benefit I've only gotten from it is that I can hear my flaps when I use them.

Two words: Throttle Work.

With your engine sound off, you can detect the variations in his throttle a whole lot more.  I'd imagine it *would* probably help in certain situations.

That being said, I don't particularly care.  I turn mine down in the 40% range for many of the same reasons already stated here.  I don't have any particular problem with anyone turning their's down even more.  It's not a game breaking advantage and the way I fight doesn't rely primarily on throttle work, anyway.

[Stoney74]

I tried it out tonight, and it makes a world of difference to me.  You never have to worry about someone sneaking up on you--so you don't have to look behind you until you hear an engine.

Clever for sure.  But gamey, IMHO--and that's all it is, my opinion.  Its your $15.

[OntosMk1]

FX,

I dont think it's "cheating" persay. It does give you an advantage but only a slight one. Usually, by the time you hear the guy attacking you have maybe 4 seconds to find out where he is and how close. If your not jinking about, which you should be, then more than likely your hosed or at least gonna get banged up. So the advantage is SLIGHT. If you have propper SA, which you do, you'll see the guy Waaayy before you hear him. As far as GV's go, well most people turn the engines off anyways so whats the point.

Is it "ethical" to do so? Any pilot that enters a fray on equal terms isnt flying right. Whether it's coming in with Altitude or Speed, both are still an advantage. So Ethics just dont fit in the situation. You fly to fight and you fight to win.

[B@tfinkV]

i think turning engine sound to 0% is very gamey, and 'cheating' really.

i think turning engine sound down to 30% or something to make it easier to hear vox or external sounds is gamey but fair enough as anyone can do it.


I play with all sounds at 80%, i cannot hear enenmy aircraft unless they are as close as 500yrds.






are you a gamer or simmer? thats the point i think. i respect a 'simmer' alot more than a 'gamer' in aceshigh.

Gamers just want to win.

Simmers just want to fly.

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
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are you a gamer or simmer? thats the point i think. i respect a 'simmer' alot more than a 'gamer' in aceshigh.

Gamers just want to win.

Simmers just want to fly.

I think BatFink has it right here. To a simmer, turning your engine/tracks sounds to 0 is gamy, to a gamer, its "how you play", because "everyones doing it"

I just got a good headset with 8 speaker surround sound, and I'm amazed at what I can now hear. I can even tell were the ack puffs are exploding around my plane without looking.

[SkyRock]

I use views to tell where enemy are!!!











I do not care what the other fellla does, turn all teh sounds down, it still doesn't change ownage!:aok

[B@tfinkV]

another point is do you like a challenge?


after many years playing here i feel like i have a certain ability that many new guys do not have. therefore i like to make it a challenge.

fly in lower than enemy

fly weaker aircraft

'give your tail' to start a fight

etc etc

for me, there is no feeling of acomplishment if i spend 30 mins in a tempest or spit16 without losing my advantage. In real life, sure, i would be a fool to enter an uneven fight, my life would be the price. here, not so.

if you are a vet of the game you should be doing everything in your power to make the game more challenging, not flying the best aircraft at high altitude and always 'winning'.

thats just how i see it anyhow.

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
another point is do you like a challenge?


after many years playing here i feel like i have a certain ability that many new guys do not have. therefore i like to make it a challenge.

fly in lower than enemy

fly weaker aircraft

'give your tail' to start a fight

etc etc

for me, there is no feeling of acomplishment if i spend 30 mins in a tempest or spit16 without losing my advantage. In real life, sure, i would be a fool to enter an uneven fight, my life would be the price. here, not so.

if you are a vet of the game you should be doing everything in your power to make the game more challenging, not flying the best aircraft at high altitude and always 'winning'.

thats just how i see it anyhow.

I disagree with the above statements. I've found its much easier to show someone the "error of their ways" by meeting them in their own planes. For instance, if a lot of laffies show up in my area. I jump in a laffie and hunt only laffies. If there's a buncha 16's floating around I get in one of those and hunt them. Eventually they will get the idea that it's not the plane but the pilot that's killing them. At that point they begin to think about learning more about the game and work toward getting better and not just flying something they think may keep them alive a lil longer. There was a time, along time ago when we'd get up in some beater plane and shoot everyone down. What do you think happened then? They'd all get up in a beater because..."darn, it got me so it must be a good plane". Eventually they got the idea and learned.
High alt and showing tail is old news. Just about anyone whose flown for a while doesn't care about alt and shows tail to get a lot off timid pilots to fight.

Ref sounds...if only one guy can do it and the rest can't then it's not right. If everyone has the ability to do it then they have the opportunity and make the choice to mess with sounds or not. If they chose to fine. If they chose not to thats fine also.

Ren

[shreck]

YES it is gaming the game! In 1942 a panzer commander could not turn down the DIN of war!! Nor could he alter his graphic detail to spot tanks in far away bush!! The sound and graphic alterations are lame, and if you do it you SUK!!:rofl

[dedalos]

Originally posted by FX1
Does having your engine sound turned down or your tank tread turned down ethical??

Does this give you a better advantage than those that do have their sound turned all the way up?

Is this something that HT need to address?

Is this a exploit of the game?

Do you turn down your sound?

Well, what is the right setting for it?  I turn it down because it is annoying.  If in a 262 for example, I cant hear VOX.  In a fighter, I don't have time to look to see if the flaps are going up or down.  I need the sound to tell.  I don't fly some planes because I cant hear the flaps.  Anyway, you get my point.  I don't think it has anything to do with being ethical.