Tactical question

[Phil]

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[Phil]

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[Murdr]

Originally posted by Black Jack
I would like to know how are u suppose to maneuver to stop a stalemate between two planes of the same type. For example, 2 spits 9 turning together at 800 feet of alt.

Just some thoughts in addition to previous comments.
 
In this example, if both pilots are getting the most out of their aircraft, winning on turn radius is unlikely.  That leaves a possible option of winning on rate of turn.  If you can make a faster lap than the other guy without widening your turn too much, you will gain position.  When one plane has WEP remaining while the other doesn't, that is usually enough to slowly gain position.  Another way to make that happen is to make your turns slightly nose up for some revolutions to bank a bit of altitude, then take your turns nose down, and use that extra bit of speed to make some 'fast laps'.  That is assuming both planes have nearly the same radius point.

Another way is to use yo-yos to shift your radius point away from theirs a bit.  So instead of two identical turn circles stacked on each other, we have two turn circles slightly off set from each other.  Once that is the scenerio, there is a point in the circle where if you are there at the right time, you'll have a momentary shot each revolution.  Then it's a matter of getting positions so that you have that shot, while denying the opponent the same opportunity at the opposite side of the circle.  Either way, once someone has position for a shot each lap, the stalemate is broken, because one plane will have to either change his circle or die.

[Laciner]

"stalemate"

(pipes up; nb I am not a dogfighter)

Would the relative aircraft weights have any noticeable, or useful, effect, assuming in this case that both players have managed their fuel well, and that the difference is slight?

E.g. if the attacker took off with a reduced fuel load and drop tanks, which he has dropped, and the defender took off with reduced fuel, the two aircraft would have very similar but not identical weights (and there would be expended ammo to take into account as well).

In the long run one of the fighters would run out of fuel, especially if using WEP, which would break the stalemate. Although it would also be lighter than the other fighter, which might break the stalemate in the other direction.

It doesn't sound sportsmanlike to try and run the other man out of fuel, but then again this isn't cricket.