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[SaburoS]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
A man who's mind is not open to any presumption is vulnerable to complete ignorance??

In this case you presume those that tend to see the obvious (faked moving chairs, doors, etc.) are somehow closed minded, flat earth believers.
I tend to call those gullible for believing an explanation from those that made the film as something of the truth of very staged or faked videos.
Clear enough?

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by SaburoS
In this case you presume those that tend to see the obvious (faked moving chairs, doors, etc.) are somehow closed minded, flat earth believers.
I tend to call those gullible for believing an explanation from those that made the film as something of the truth of very staged or faked videos.
Clear enough?

I hate having words thrown in my mouth.

You presume that i believe it, i don't. I do however believe some things not particularly in those videos, or quite intruiging and possibly deserve some further study.

A gullible man is one who believes at first glance without further study.

A smart one is one who is open to further study while being open or closed to belief.

I believe the latter.

[Furball]

Originally posted by AWMac
18th Brighton, Seaside Park, NJ.

Go to the closet on the 3rd floor.

If you dare.

Mac

Mac is gonna be waiting there with the KY.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
I hate having words thrown in my mouth.

You presume that i believe it, i don't. I do however believe some things not particularly in those videos, or quite intruiging and possibly deserve some further study.

A gullible man is one who believes at first glance without further study.

A smart one is one who is open to further study while being open or closed to belief.

I believe the latter.

 
You seem to contradict yourself here or you're trying to fool yourself.
Seems your mind was made up on this matter:

Originally posted by LEADPIG
The souls of the evil can't go to hell, they're just regenerated back here again. You can't go to hell your already here. This IS the place where things are SUPPOSED to go wrong. It's all for the benefit of our learning. We take those lessons with us upon our next transition, having learned.
The evil help us for it is in the struggle against evil that we learn the truth. So they serve their purpose. Not a happy outlook i know, but i believe it to be true from out of body experience. Things get much happier after this trust me.

Then you tend to label those that disagreed with you:

Originally posted by LEADPIG
People like you are the same ones that questioned Christopher Columbus that the world was round. Was it? At the time who knew but at least he was willing to ask the question.

I called the videos faked or staged. You post them as if your neutral on the subject. You're not.
These are clearly staged or fake.
I'm calling you gullible because you tend to think they (the videos) are real. To claim that was not your goal would tend to make you disingenuous as well.

You think the study of spirits, ghosts, etc is new?
Who's the gullible one?   LOL

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Furball
Mac is gonna be waiting there with the KY.

Wait... what's this on the third floor, on the floor in front of the closet???........(reaches for said object)......

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by SaburoS
You seem to contradict yourself here or you're trying to fool yourself.
Seems your mind was made up on this matter:



Then you tend to label those that disagreed with you:



I called the videos faked or staged. You post them as if your neutral on the subject. You're not.
These are clearly staged or fake.
I'm calling you gullible because you tend to think they (the videos) are real. To claim that was not your goal would tend to make you disingenuous as well.

You think the study of spirits, ghosts, etc is new?
Who's the gullible one?   LOL

Do you ever not tell people what they think???

Heres the facts from my mouth, pay attention mmmk

My original purpose of posting these videos was " Hey guys cool, look at these videos, gnarly. (in dweeby surfer accent).

I did not tell you anywhere what i thought of these videos, up untill just before now.

Here's what i believe, close your mind open your ears and listen.. "Here are some videos, some of these could or could not be faked i don't know check it out...uh whatever.

You seem to know for sure if it's fake or something..??

Cause you seem to know it all and can presume what's true and what i and other peoples original motives are.

Anyway....

I do not judge stuff of which i and you ultimately don't know, so unless your the ghost doing this or the guy pulling the string you don't know either.

Alot of it looks fake, i don't know, but i don't presume it to be either way.

Stop.. i repeat... Stop telling me that i believe it all, i don't....
As Scarface said "I hear tings Mel, i don't know if it tru mane, i just hear chit.

Got it...good...now turn up your hearing aid or something.

[68ROX]

I agree...videos and photographs can be easily faked nowadays.

I DO belive that ghosts/spirits DO exist, and that SOME people are able to wittness the phenomenon.

I had MANY people call in to my radio show over the years with personal wittness stories...whether real or not, I do not know.  I do, however, trust one of my radio co-hosts (I don't have the tape of it anymore, but it went something like this....):



ME:  OK....so what's the wierdest thing about YOU?

HER:  Well....when I was a kid I could see ghosts.

ME:  REALLY?  So.....what did you actually see?

HER:  Well...I definitely don't like talking about it....

ME:  Jeesh...we're on LIVE radio here, and the signal already left the building, so you might as well tell it...

HER:  Well...when I was 7, we were living in a house that was behind our landlord's house in Virgina....on the same property.  At night...things in our house would move...like while we were sitting there watching TV...like the coffee table...or dishes on the table...and closet doors opening and closing...right in front of us.   Sometimes it would be violent...and it even scared the crap out of my parents....

ME:  Did you see the ghost that did it?

HER:  No...not him....not that one....

ME:  HIM?

HER:  Well, I knew who it was...it was the landlord's son...he had committed suicide by drug overdose in the house a year earlier....

ME:  What about the ghosts you actually SAW?

HER:  I saw his father, the landlord.  After we had lived in the back house a few months, the landlord died, and his estate rented out the bigger front house to us...

ME:  OK...

HER:  After a few months...I would be playing in my room upstairs, and the rocking chair would slowly start rocking....it really scared me at first....then, he would appear in the chair.

ME:  WOW...I'd be crappin' my pants right about then!

HER:  The first couple of times I ran screaming to my mom...she came up the stairs and say the chair continue to rock with no one around...we didn't have air conditioning back then, and the windows were shut, so you couldn't blame that...and she freaked too...but she couldn't "SEE" him...but I could.

ME:  What did he look like?

HER:  Just like he was before...he had on a plaid shirt under a pair of overalls....old, scuffed, brown, work boots...

ME:  Did you ever communicate with the ghost?

HER:  Yes...everytime he would "show up", he always looked sad...he wasn't like that when he was alive....he was always nice to me...so...then I would try and play a game with him...even though I was scared, I would walk up to him in the chair and smile at him...and sometimes he would smile back before he dissapeared again.

ME: WHOA.....

HER:  Then, the one time I asked him why he was doing this....

ME:  WOW...you TALKED to him?

HER:  Yeah...After I got him to smile once, I asked him why he was doing this...was he trying to scare us out of the house?....He looked right at me and said "No..I don't mind iffin' y'all live here..." then he turned away for awhile and then dissapeared.

ME:  HOLY SCHNIKIES!

HER:  A lot of the time...when he was in the rocking chair...he was looking out the window at the old house out back where his son committed suicide...with that sad look on his face.

ME:  Did you see other ghosts besides those?

HER:  Yes, especially after we moved to Richmond (ED: VA)...here and there...a couple of times in restaraunts...sometimes...aft er I was about 11 or so, I haven't seen one since.

ME:  What do you attribute that to?

HER:  I don't know...I'm not a para-normal scientist or anything, but I think kids are just more open to the idea of seeing them.


We got a BOATLOAD of calls after that...lots of interesting personal stories...one from a burly construction guy who was literally run out of the house by spirits in broad daylight while attempting to remodel the kitchen in an old house.  He said he didn't go back.

I can't validate the stories of the callers, but I do believe my former radio co-host.

Believe or not...it's up to the individual, and I am more skeptical than most.


68ROX

[Furball]

We are on a lump of rock floating through space, i don't believe in ghosts or God.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
Do you ever not tell people what they think???

Heres the facts from my mouth, pay attention mmmk

My original purpose of posting these videos was " Hey guys cool, look at these videos, gnarly. (in dweeby surfer accent).

I did not tell you anywhere what i thought of these videos, up untill just before now.

Here's what i believe, close your mind open your ears and listen.. "Here are some videos, some of these could or could not be faked i don't know check it out...uh whatever.

You seem to know for sure if it's fake or something..??

Cause you seem to know it all and can presume what's true and what i and other peoples original motives are.

Anyway....

I do not judge stuff of which i and you ultimately don't know, so unless your the ghost doing this or the guy pulling the string you don't know either.

Alot of it looks fake, i don't know, but i don't presume it to be either way.

Stop.. i repeat... Stop telling me that i believe it all, i don't....
As Scarface said "I hear tings Mel, i don't know if it tru mane, i just hear chit.

Got it...good...now turn up your hearing aid or something.

BS.

1) The videos you submitted here have opening statements of 'that these things are real.' '...and will show you what I believe to be real filmed Ghosts, Spirits, and Demons...' 'The following is real, and shows poltergeist activity...'  etc., etc.

You submitted the videos so you have to take ownership of its content unless you state otherwise.
BTW they weren't scary either.

2) Your very second post in this thread, you give away your belief on the subject (or were you lying?):

"The souls of the evil can't go to hell, they're just regenerated back here again. You can't go to hell your already here. This IS the place where things are SUPPOSED to go wrong. It's all for the benefit of our learning. We take those lessons with us upon our next transition, having learned.
The evil help us for it is in the struggle against evil that we learn the truth. So they serve their purpose. Not a happy outlook i know, but i believe it to be true from out of body experience. Things get much happier after this trust me."

3) After I call it "staged and faked", you infer that somehow I am closed minded and only 'God' would know. Again, by your comment (Your third one in this thread)
"All of it, are you sure? Well good enough, but since i am not God i can't make such assumptions without keeping an open mind."

4) So now because another doesn't agree with your beliefs, you now infer those as not 'forward, progressive thinking' or flat earth believers.

Here, your fifth post:
"People like you are the same ones that questioned Christopher Columbus that the world was round. Was it? At the time who knew but at least he was willing to ask the question."

I called you gullible because you apparently think (you have yet to refute any of the video clips as faked) that they are real and not staged, faked, or coincidental.

**********

Now this is your chance to prove what you really think.

Which of the video clips do you think are staged/faked?
Which of the video clips could possibly be real?
Which ones are real?

Put your money where your mouth is.

Painting me with a broad brush just makes you look foolish. My calling you gullible on these videos is based on the content of the videos and your posts here.

Put your money where your mouth is. Show me that I'm wrong.

 Clip by clip, which of them are real?

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Furball
Mac is gonna be waiting there with the KY.

I hear snot and tears work as an ok substitute.

[cpxxx]

I've stated before on this forum that I believe there is something to the ghost phenomenon. I experienced something myself which was backed up by others sleeping in the same room at different times. Everyone experienced the same thing. Someone coming into the room while you were asleep, you wake and see nothing except a shadow passing through. The room was the servants quarters in an old Victorian house in London. A bit of a cliche perhaps but there you are. No terror felt, just a sense that something odd happened.

I know many people who matter of factly described seeing ghosts. The authentic aspect is that the ghost repeats the same thing again and again like a recording.  I don't believe ghosts like that are the unhappy spirits of dead people, merely a recording. In point of fact I believe it is possible that a living person could leave a ghost.

If you think that's impossible, consider this. What is a hologram? What is a video or film image?

And that is my theory, it is a recording of some sort which some people view and others cannot. We just don't know what the trigger is and in truth we never will because the kind of people who investigate this kind of stuff are usually the freaky spiritualists with an agenda. So serious scientists run a mile when it's mentioned.

I don't believe we really properly understand the workings of the human mind yet or perhaps ever will. But all of us at some point have experienced intuition of some sort, a feeling, something indefinable.

That's my crackpot theory anyhow.

[Furball]

Originally posted by cpxxx
The authentic aspect is that the ghost repeats the same thing again and again like a recording.  

And that is my theory, it is a recording of some sort

I agree completely.

I do not believe that ghosts are human spirits.  I do agree with you about the possibility of there is a recording of sorts, i believe there is a scientific explanation for it.

[McFarland]

A theory I've heard somewhere, and it's strange and based on science, is that of something like a wormhole....

As String Theory states, there are 11 dimensions. The first is time (a straight line going on forever with no other dimensions than length), the three dimensions of space (forward-back, right-left, and up-down), and 7 others that are not completely understood. Now, there are universes that are parrallel to ours. They run at different times than ours, such as we are in September of '07, one other may be in July of 1863, another in Oct. of '44, and etc. At certain times, something may happen that only certain people at the right place and time can only observe: a wormhole type thing, you can see into the other dimension for a short period of time. Maybe a few nanoseconds, maybe a few minutes. You may see a battle going on during the Civil War, a plantation in 1830, a battle field in '43, or something of that sort. These wormhole type things can be like a mirror or like a window: in one, all you can do is watch, you can't interact; the other, you both can see each other and can interact. The things you see aren't ghosts or dead spirits, they are events occuring in another time, and just happened to overlap and you were there to see it. A time warp, to be exact.

Although, in my opinion, there is only one real ghost: The Holy Ghost.