interesting responses in the best and worst

[evenhaim]

Storch,

I dont know if you remember a looong time ago i was in a p40 over our rook tt v-base, i was low and some guy in a fm2 kept coming back with 15k and coming down to ho, a guy known as a decently good stick, you were in flak trying to help me keep eyes on him and in the end i dragged the guy down to the deck outflew him and tore him up. We both laughed and ed.

Good show

But yes i spend alot of time in da because i want to get better and better as time passes and the way to do that is to push the limits.!



Freezman

[storch]

I remember that freez it was very funny and some brilliant P40 work on your part

[evenhaim]

Ty sir i respected the help and had a great time to boot, i kinda miss the days when i first began, when nearly every encounter with a countrymen was of this quality.

[ink]

Originally posted by dedalos
See what I mean?  Completely clueless and unable to read or comprehend what they just read.

No one ever complained about hoing a buff in AH.  No one said hoing ganging vulching etc are not valid tactics in real war.  What I said was that the 190 was not designed with vulching, cherry picking, and HOing FIGHTERS in mind ONLY

Dont worry, I don't expect anyone to get what I said.  

ith knout ah tumor

[shamroc]

Originally posted by storch
it really is more fun to try and turn with them.  I take front quarter shots but try to avoid the direct HO.  it seems I lose those just as often as not irrespective of what ride I'm in.

I for one have no problem whatsoever taking a HO if it's to my advantage and I'm short on options.

ie:  If my plane is tougher and has more firepower, and my opponent has the E advantage, yes, I will turn into him - and if he does go for the HO, I have no problem entertaining him - I'm a decent shot, and chances are, I'll place my big shots before said dweeb will place his (if at all).  FW190 A-8 vs Spixteen with more E - by all means - if the idiot won't parlay that E advantage into something more constructive, take his idiotic HO and make him PAY.

Does it mean I do it often or look for it ?  No - I far prefer going for snap shots (better) or saddling the guy outright (best).

Exceptions ?  Only if I happen to know I'm fighting someone who I figure is better than me AND I know hates nothing more than being HOed - think of it as a great big, wet, slap in the face - what better way to rattle someone's cage and throw him off his game

Personally I don't understand what the big fuss is about HOing in AH2 - the old HO taboo started back in DOS Airwarrior - see, we didn't have ANY collision model, so you could FLY THROUGH your opponent's plane without consequences.  That led to a lot of absolute dweebs looking to fly through you and open up right as they entered your plane (kinda made a mockery of the entire game).   They dealt with it in DOS Airwarrior's final days by first disabling pure headon damage, then (if I remember correctly) setting up a killshooter for anyone who fired perfectly head-on.

By the time Warbirds, and then AH came around, DECENT (not perfect) collision models were in effect, so there was no longer any real reason for a HO taboo - but somehow, it lingered, and has just gained momentum in AH.

People complain FAR MORE in AH about everything than they did in old AW and Warbirds.

Now you have these guys crying foul anytime there's a HO - just because they've seen other people complain, and figure they want to be "in with the boys" or whatever.  "Why no I don't HO - everyone knows that's what dweebs do, and I'M NO DWEEB - NO-SIREE!!"

On the AH collision model - I really think both planes should explode or at least take catastrophic damage whenever there's a collision - in real life, more likely that not, that's what would happen.  I hate seeing a massive collision and one guy flies away unscathed.

Shamroc

[Lusche]

Originally posted by shamroc

On the AH collision model - I really think both planes should explode or at least take catastrophic damage whenever there's a collision - in real life, more likely that not, that's what would happen.  I hate seeing a massive collision and one guy flies away unscathed.

Shamroc

So you would LOVE to explode when an enemy is just passing 100ft away from you?

Because that's what would happen if "both die" would be implemented...

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Lusche
So you would LOVE to explode when an enemy is just passing 100ft away from you?

Because that's what would happen if "both die" would be implemented...

It's wasted breath, Lusche.  There's people who've been flying here since the beginning that can't figure that out yet.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by Lusche
So you would LOVE to explode when an enemy is just passing 100ft away from you?

Because that's what would happen if "both die" would be implemented...

You know how often I get a collision ? About once a year.  All I'm saying is I think it's messed up that during collisions it's not right that one guy often takes all the damage, and the other guy flies away unscathed.

Of course, I live physically VERY CLOSE to AH in Grapevine, have a fantastic connection and a very fast computer - so what do I know.  If it's unfair to the Trailer Park Boys with modems, then my bad - let it stay as-is.

Like I said - I very rarely collide, so it's not that big a deal either way.

Shamroc

[Lusche]

Originally posted by shamroc
You know how often I get a collision ? About once a year.  All I'm saying is I think it's messed up that during collisions it's not right that one guy often takes all the damage, and the other guy flies away unscathed.

Because on HIS FE, there wasn't any.
And you would get a lot more collsions if "both die" was implemented. Collisions you can't even dodge. Ramming would now actually work.
On your FE you perfectly dodge your enemy. (And that's why you experience very few collisions now). With current model all is fine. In your collsion model, you still die.

Originally posted by shamroc

Of course, I live physically VERY CLOSE to AH in Grapevine, have a fantastic connection and a very fast computer - so what do I know.  If it's unfair to the Trailer Park Boys with modems, then my bad - let it stay as-is.

Your own connection is only 1/2 the story - It's all about combined lag, ie yours and that of your enemy. The server hasnt to do anything with collisions. Your top-notch connection wouldn't save you.

[Ghastly]

would you believe I out turn some players in A6Ms with a 110G because all they look for is the HO

Absolutely, because I regularly do the same - by the time they are firing you are 60-90 degrees around on them in a lead turn.

But lets be honest  - the guys who complain about the way that other players play usually aren't the less experienced pilot who tends to fly every engagement right down your gun barrel.  In the context you posted, the point is more that after a couple of gentle turns, or a single hard turn, I'm pretty much done turning against an experienced pilot when I'm in my Corsair and he's in a Yak or a Spit or a C205 or one of the other more maneuverable aircraft.  If I enter a fight with a speed advantage, work to retain it throughout the fight, and then exit the fight before depleting my energy store, I've usually done two things:

1) flown my aircraft to it's advantages successfully ...
2) P'oed the guy who flies the slower, more maneuverable aircraft, who's now gnashing his teeth in frustration because if I'd hung around and maneuvered with him any longer, he knows dang well he'd have bled me out and hung me out to dry.  

Thing is ... it's his choice to fly the way he does, and his choice what aircraft he does it in.

Just as it is mine.  

And I wish I could say I'm sorry that I don't oblige him by playing his game any more often than I have to - but I'm not.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by Ghastly


1) flown my aircraft to it's advantages successfully ...
2) P'oed the guy who flies the slower, more maneuverable aircraft, who's now gnashing his teeth in frustration because if I'd hung around and maneuvered with him any longer, he knows dang well he'd have bled me out and hung me out to dry.  

Thing is ... it's his choice to fly the way he does, and his choice what aircraft he does it in.

Just as it is mine.  

EXACTLY - they're frustrated that you're making them fight YOUR game, rather than rolling over and giving them an easy kill.  It's like they can't admit that they're being outfoxed, and resort to crying "foul".

Shamroc

[Vudak]

Originally posted by shamroc
EXACTLY - they're frustrated that you're making them fight YOUR game, rather than rolling over and giving them an easy kill.  It's like they can't admit that they're being outfoxed, and resort to crying "foul".

Shamroc

I think we're just expecting the world of you.  I've been in a Spitfire before and had my butt handed to me by a turn fighting 190.  

Not every guy can do that, but we can all dream

But between me and you, that 190 right there gets my respect over the run90 any day of the week.  I like people that try difficult things .

[shamroc]

Originally posted by Vudak
I think we're just expecting the world of you.  I've been in a Spitfire before and had my butt handed to me by a turn fighting 190.  

Not every guy can do that, but we can all dream

But between me and you, that 190 right there gets my respect over the run90 any day of the week.  I like people that try difficult things .

Few years back I had this guy in a Corsair completely school me in a turnfight (me in a Hurricane, both of us right on the deck).  While the guy never could quite get a shot on me, he consistently "threw me out of the saddle" and made me sweat bullets for what seemed like 5 minutes before I could get back in position again - over and over, the pattern repeated, and I watched with amazement, as this guy furiously would go high, stall, then pivot around the balance point of his ship as if it were on an axis - that or he'd drop flaps/gear at the seemingly most opportune moments and make me overshoot in slow motion...

...over and over he'd break the saddle and damn near get me, then I'd squeeze every last ounce of E to slowly turn the tables  - whereby he'd invariably do some beautifully impossible move, and reverse the advantage time and time again.

Eventually, some dork flew over and picked him - what a shame... I mean, he was fair game and all, but to me it was like being shown a CLINIC on how to fly the Hog, and it all came to an end prematurely - worse still, during all the excitement, I forgot to turn my film on.

Easily the best fight I ever had in my life.  Can't remember who it was - might have been Badboy or Mountain Man...  Never seen anyone fly a hog as good since.

Shamroc

[E2hawkeye]

Originally posted by storch
would you believe I out turn some players in A6Ms with a 110G because all they look for is the HO?

at times I think it's become epidemic.  since the culture has changed so drastically especially since AH2 I understand why some people gravitate to toolshedding.  that wasn't always the case though because I recall a time when those types of players were basically the fringe and now they have become the cutting edge.  AH is now a retarded game of capture the flag.

/by gawd your right this is the genXbox era where kids buy 50 & 60 dollar games only to end up downloading codes via the internet to beat the game in 24 hours much az i hate to agree with you you have a point lol  i squlch er eh um salute you:lol

[Vudak]

Originally posted by shamroc
Few years back I had this guy in a Corsair completely school me in a turnfight (me in a Hurricane, both of us right on the deck).  While the guy never could quite get a shot on me, he consistently "threw me out of the saddle" and made me sweat bullets for what seemed like 5 minutes before I could get back in position again - over and over, the pattern repeated, and I watched with amazement, as this guy furiously would go high, stall, then pivot around the balance point of his ship as if it were on an axis - that or he'd drop flaps/gear at the seemingly most opportune moments and make me overshoot in slow motion...

...over and over he'd break the saddle and damn near get me, then I'd squeeze every last ounce of E to slowly turn the tables  - whereby he'd invariably do some beautifully impossible move, and reverse the advantage time and time again.

Eventually, some dork flew over and picked him - what a shame... I mean, he was fair game and all, but to me it was like being shown a CLINIC on how to fly the Hog, and it all came to an end prematurely - worse still, during all the excitement, I forgot to turn my film on.

Easily the best fight I ever had in my life.  Can't remember who it was - might have been Badboy or Mountain Man...  Never seen anyone fly a hog as good since.

Shamroc

Well we're on the same page then, because that's the sort of thing that keeps me coming back to this game

But it's important to remember, if we want to keep having fights like that, we've got to keep encouraging people to try difficult things...  Because that Hog pilot didn't get like that by running away.

(And I realize the way we "encourage" is often by all means a stretch of that word )