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[Vudak]

Originally posted by indy007
Maybe. I'd have to see the kids medical report. Contary to popular opinion, people are suprisingly difficult to beat to death (that's why you train chokes). The body is more like a vietnam era Huey.  Sometimes it'll absorb hundreds of rounds and some cannon fire and limp back to base totally mangled, but still flying. Sometimes a single AK round drops you out of the sky.

It was my impression (based, I'll admit, on suspect sources) that the kid was able to go out carousing that same night.  But I'll gladly drop that impression if someone can provide a link suggesting otherwise.

[indy007]

Originally posted by Vudak
It was my impression (based, I'll admit, on suspect sources) that the kid was able to go out carousing that same night.  But I'll gladly drop that impression if someone can provide a link suggesting otherwise.

I take it back. Medical records don't really matter I think. The severity of the beating wouldn't have anything to do with it had they discussed killing the guy before the assault. If you talk about it, and go start the attack, but for whatever reason decided not to, you still planned and attempted to commit murder.

Wouldn't matter if he was on life-support or got away scratch free.

[Engine]

I read the article, and I'm confused as to why you would consider this a hate crime. The article states 6 kids beat up another kid, goes on to talk about racial tensions in the town, but it doesn't say whether the beating itself was race-related. I think CNN is certainly implying it, which is lame sensationalism, but there's no actual link.

From just what I read in the article, I am inclined to agree that the charges were overly-harsh. Attempted murder by 6 young adults, and the beaten kid gets out of the hospital after only 3 hours? Hmmmm.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by indy007
I take it back. Medical records don't really matter I think. The severity of the beating wouldn't have anything to do with it had they discussed killing the guy before the assault. If you talk about it, and go start the attack, but for whatever reason decided not to, you still planned and attempted to commit murder.

Wouldn't matter if he was on life-support or got away scratch free.

Technically, I suppose you're right.  But, then, technically, I'd have to say there are a lot of people out there who are guilty of "attempted murder."  I'll bet you've heard someone say "I'm gonna kill that guy " right before they got in a fight.

[Engine]

Wonder whether the law has any provisions for the seriousness of the threat. There's got to be a difference between a cold-blooded planned murder, and your example.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Engine
I read the article, and I'm confused as to why you would consider this a hate crime. The article states 6 kids beat up another kid, goes on to talk about racial tensions in the town, but it doesn't say whether the beating itself was race-related. I think CNN is certainly implying it, which is lame sensationalism, but there's no actual link.

He's a white kid, who was beat up for exercising his 1st Amendment rights in a very naughty way...  

Let's put it this way - if a black kid said the word this white kid did, there'd be no fight.  So, race seems to have something to do with it.

[Xargos]

If it was 6 white kids doing that to a black kid, they would be charged with a hate crime.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Xargos
If it was 6 white kids doing that to a black kid, they would be charged with a hate crime.

I won't deny that.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Engine
I read the article, and I'm confused as to why you would consider this a hate crime. The article states 6 kids beat up another kid, goes on to talk about racial tensions in the town, but it doesn't say whether the beating itself was race-related. I think CNN is certainly implying it, which is lame sensationalism, but there's no actual link.

From just what I read in the article, I am inclined to agree that the charges were overly-harsh. Attempted murder by 6 young adults, and the beaten kid gets out of the hospital after only 3 hours? Hmmmm.

Would you consider 6 white kids beating up a black kid a hate crime?
How about 6 straight teens beating up a homosexual teen?

Because I guarantee the DA will use the hate crime charge.


Bronk

[SoulTakr]

Originally posted by texasmom
My goodness, looks like it's fixing to get as rowdy as a friday night in here! And it's only Tuesday!

It's been a bad tuesday.  

All I'm saying is, IMO, all most folks ever see is Black, White, Brown, Yellow, no one ever just looks at the facts of Right, Wrong, or Indifferent.  

It states it occured due to the fact that earlier some kids hung up ropes on a tree where another student of darker complexion was sitting.  

Here's my .02, how many knots did the rope have?(Some of you know what I am saying)  If it did not have the correct amount, then while still a horrific prank/statement, they shoulda been expelled for being Sofa King Dum.  

[SoulTakr]

Originally posted by Engine
I read the article, and I'm confused as to why you would consider this a hate crime. The article states 6 kids beat up another kid, goes on to talk about racial tensions in the town, but it doesn't say whether the beating itself was race-related. I think CNN is certainly implying it, which is lame sensationalism, but there's no actual link.

From just what I read in the article, I am inclined to agree that the charges were overly-harsh. Attempted murder by 6 young adults, and the beaten kid gets out of the hospital after only 3 hours? Hmmmm.

2 and a half hours was probably spent filling out forms.

[indy007]

Originally posted by Vudak
Technically, I suppose you're right.  But, then, technically, I'd have to say there are a lot of people out there who are guilty of "attempted murder."  I'll bet you've heard someone say "I'm gonna kill that guy " right before they got in a fight.

Exactly. All about context. Doubt we'll ever see a single blurb about this though without actually being on the jury.

[Engine]

Originally posted by Vudak
He's a white kid, who was beat up for exercising his 1st Amendment rights in a very naughty way...  

Let's put it this way - if a black kid said the word this white kid did, there'd be no fight.  So, race seems to have something to do with it.

Was that in the article? If so, I must have missed it.

Hmmm. Even if the white kid did use the "N" word (which is impossible, as the NAACP had a funeral service for it, remember? ), I still don't think the black kids should be charged with a hate crime unless there's evidence of racism on their part. They just beat up a kid who insulted them.

Unless those in this thread jumping on the kneejerk "if it were white kids" bandwagon can post more specific details of the beating itself, the comments are in this case unjustified.

Better yet, let's go ahead and say it WAS white kids. Would you agree with them being charged with a hate crime for beating up a black kid who called them crackers, without there being clear evidence they beat him up because he was black?

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Engine
Was that in the article? If so, I must have missed it.

That wasn't in this particular article, no.

I think that the people suggesting this is a hate crime are not seriously suggesting this is a hate crime, but merely pointing out how if the shoe was on the other foot, it certainly would be construed as such, and we'd all just like a little equality now and then

That's just what I read into it, though.

[straffo]

Originally posted by culero
No more than you could expect France to defend itself.

So much humour in so few words !
You're an artist Sir.
I surrender.


I wonder how I can take seriously a post made by some one having "cul" in his handle.