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Offline JB88

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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2007, 11:44:20 AM »
just out of curiousity...do 5-52 crews have to go through the same stringent proceedures in order to arm and detonate their payload?

(i am assuming that it is the case...something like the 2 key system...but wonder if anyone here has the facts )
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2007, 12:02:37 PM »
There's a guy over at AGW that used to be in the USAF and was involved in moving nukes around.

To paraphrase, he said that this was an absolutely mind-blowing breach of a whole **** load of protocols.  He can barely comprend that this happened at all.

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2007, 12:17:52 PM »
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"Broken Arrow" is an army unit that is in immediate danger of being overrun by enemy forces.  It requires that all available aircraft (no matter of what military branch they are in) come to the aid of that unit.

Unless the air force and the army have different meanings for the same term (which would be confusing), "Broken Arrow" does not refer to a missing nuclear weapon.


i think "broken arrow" was a movie about lost/stolen nukes, ahh hollywood.

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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2007, 12:26:48 PM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn
There's a guy over at AGW that used to be in the USAF and was involved in moving nukes around.

To paraphrase, he said that this was an absolutely mind-blowing breach of a whole **** load of protocols.  He can barely comprend that this happened at all.


that's why i think it was tactical.
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2007, 12:44:02 PM »
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
"Broken Arrow" is an army unit that is in immediate danger of being overrun by enemy forces.  It requires that all available aircraft (no matter of what military branch they are in) come to the aid of that unit.

Unless the air force and the army have different meanings for the same term (which would be confusing), "Broken Arrow" does not refer to a missing nuclear weapon.



Pinnacle
Pinnacle denotes an incident of interest to the National Command Authority, and Department of Defense, in that it:

Generates a higher level of military action.
Causes a national reaction.
Affects international relationships.
Causes immediate widespread coverage in news media.
Is clearly against the national interest.
Affects current national policy.
All of the following reporting terms are classified Pinnacle, with the exception of Bent Spear, Faded Giant and Dull Sword.


Bent Spear
Bent Spear refers to nuclear weapons incidents that are of significant interest but are not categorized as Pinnacle - Nucflash or Pinnacle - Broken Arrow.


Broken Arrow
Pinnacle - Broken Arrow refers to an accidental event that involves nuclear weapons or nuclear components but which does not create the risk of nuclear war. These include:

Nuclear detonation.
Non-nuclear detonation or burning of a nuclear weapon.
Radioactive contamination.
Jettisoning of a nuclear weapon or nuclear component.[3]
Public hazard, actual or implied.

Nucflash
Pinnacle - Nucflash refers to detonation or possible detonation of a nuclear weapon which creates a risk of an outbreak of nuclear war. Events which may be classified Nucflash may include:

Accidental, unauthorized, or unexplained nuclear detonation or possible detonation.
Accidental or unauthorized launch of a nuclear-armed or nuclear-capable missile in the direction of, or having the capability to reach another nuclear-capable country.
Unauthorized flight of, or deviation from, an approved flight plan by a nuclear armed or nuclear-capable aircraft with the capability to penetrate the airspace of another nuclear-capable country.
Detection of unidentified objects by a missile warning system or interference (experienced by such a system or related communications) that appears threatening and could create a risk of nuclear war.

Emergency Disablement
Pinnacle - Emergency Disablement refers to operations involving the emergency destruction of nuclear weapons.


Emergency Evacuation
Pinnacle - Emergency Evacuation refers to operations involving the emergency evacuation of nuclear weapons.


Empty Quiver
Pinnacle - Empty Quiver refers to the seizure, theft, or loss of a nuclear weapon or nuclear component.


Faded Giant
Faded Giant refers to an event involving a nuclear reactor or other radiological accident, which does not involve nuclear weapons.


Dull Sword
Dull Sword is an Air Force reporting term that marks reports of minor incidents involving nuclear weapons, components or systems, or which could impair their deployment. This could include actions involving vehicles capable of carrying nuclear weapons but with no nuclear weapons on board at the time of the accident.


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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2007, 01:04:38 PM »
In the Air Force it was

Broken Arrow
Bent Spear
Dull Sword
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2007, 07:59:43 PM »
From what I read yesterday the plane was supposed to have been loaded with these specific cruise missiles but the warheads were supposed to have been removed prior. Someone really dropped the ball on this. The Munitions Squadron CO has already been canned but it could go higher.
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2007, 08:01:37 PM »
Then again, maybe someone was pissed at those lead paint toy making chinese son a b*******   ;)
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