A6M3 (Zeke 32)

[Karnak]

EagleDNY,

Why do you keep refering to how much work it would be for HTC to add it?

True, it would take some, but most of it would overlap with the updating of the A6M2 and A6M5b.  It isn't as though they'd be adding it from scratch.

[EagleDNY]

Originally posted by Karnak
EagleDNY,

Why do you keep refering to how much work it would be for HTC to add it?

True, it would take some, but most of it would overlap with the updating of the A6M2 and A6M5b.  It isn't as though they'd be adding it from scratch.

LOL - probably because I own a computer company myself and have done software development (as well as run online games).  Because of this, I have a little understanding of what it is like on the HTC side of the game.  

Online games are fun, but it is a little different when you are buying $20K servers, making payroll and whipping out $6K a month for bandwidth.  If it took HTC 4 months to introduce a new ride (the B-25s), I figure that game addition cost $45K or so (just in payroll time for 2-3 guys).  

The way I look at it is that there is a limited amount of resources at HTC for development.  Every hour they spend on development costs real money - I want to see them use that money wisely and work on the things that will really help the game instead of working on rides that only a few of us do (or would) fly.

EagleDNY
$.02

CAVEAT: of course if HT or Skuzzy hit the powerball lotto and have 200 million in the bank then:
1. to hell with my worrying about their development budget, and
2. get to work on the A6M3, J2M, Ki-45, Me262a-2, He-162, Me-410, P-39, G.55, and all the other updates we need you slackers.    

[AirFlyer]

Originally posted by Karnak
EagleDNY,

Why do you keep refering to how much work it would be for HTC to add it?

True, it would take some, but most of it would overlap with the updating of the A6M2 and A6M5b.  It isn't as though they'd be adding it from scratch.

It's not a big deal, everyone has there own opinions. Hell if I diden't want to hear them I woulden't of asked in the beginning of this thread.  

Not that that would stop anyone but you get my point.

[Karnak]

EagleDNY,

Not really my meaning.  It seemed you were taking the developement of the A6M3 as a whole, new airplane and not part f the A6M upgrade which will, most likely, happen sometime.

I have also worked in the software industry.  I know a little about it.

Now if you're take is that there are more important things to do than update the A6Ms, well, that is different.

[trigger2]

no more zekes
good planes but theyre over-used and abused because of their simplicity.
i'm sorry but i'm against it...

[Ghosth]

I don't know that I've ever seen any of the A6ms in the top 5 planes by kills.
So how is that overused? As to abused, I don't see how you can possible rank the poor A6m's into the same category as any of the perk planes.

The F4u-1c back in the day, that was abused. 2 out of every 3 planes you saw were cannon hawgs. That was imbalancing to the game in the extreme, hence it was perked to compensate. At times I've seen the Nik come close to that description, but never the poor Zeke.

So the only conclusion I can possibly come to is that the A6m has been killing you of late.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by trigger2

good planes but theyre over-used and abused because of their simplicity.

Especially the simplicity of being transformed into a roman candle...

[EagleDNY]

Originally posted by Karnak
EagleDNY,

Not really my meaning.  It seemed you were taking the developement of the A6M3 as a whole, new airplane and not part f the A6M upgrade which will, most likely, happen sometime.

I have also worked in the software industry.  I know a little about it.

Now if you're take is that there are more important things to do than update the A6Ms, well, that is different.

Truthfully, I did some more reading on the M3, so I must admit it isn't as much of a dog as I first thought - the 100 cannon rpg vs 60 of the M2 is a big improvement which I didn't see on my first pass.  I still like my M5b, but I'd fly the M3 in scenarios.

Really I'd like to see the A6Ms and the Nikis get the cockpit / flight model treatment before I see any new models.  After flying the Ki-84, you realize how bad the cockpits on the other japanese rides look.  I'd really like to see how the Niki and A6M do with the updated flight model as well.

EagleDNY
$.02

[EagleDNY]

Originally posted by Ghosth
I don't know that I've ever seen any of the A6ms in the top 5 planes by kills.
So how is that overused? As to abused, I don't see how you can possible rank the poor A6m's into the same category as any of the perk planes.
 

The abuse comes from people upping A6Ms at capped bases out of desperation, and then getting rudely shot down again and again.  

If anything, the A6M is underused - if more people flew it, I'd say it should move up the "next to be updated" list considerably, and I'd be a lot more likely to back the M3, M6 and/or floatplane models being added.  

EagleDNY
$.02

[Lusche]

Some actual data:

In last tour (91) the A6M5 had 2.7 % of all plane deaths & kills combined, which ranked it at #10
The A6M2 got 0.5%, resulting in rank #46 (It's usually only used in gerater numbers when Ndisles is up in EW)

[AirFlyer]

Originally posted by Badair
One of the late model zeke's with 4 20mm's would be cool too

A little late for this but I think I found what you were talking about, I was looking at some specs of the Zero and found that there was prototype A7M's built. The one I beleive you meant was the A7M2.  There was never close to enough of these made to think about adding them but I thought it was interesting and wanted to clear that up.

Powerplant...
One Mitsubishi MK9A eighteen-cylinder air-cooled radial rated at 2,200 hp for take-off, 2,070 hp at 1,000 m and 1,800 hp at 6,000 m, driving a four-blade constant-speed metal propeller.

Armament...
Four wing-mounted 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannon.
External Load - Two 250 kg bombs or two 350 litre drop tanks.

Dimensions...
Wing Span - 14.00 M
Length - 11.00 M
Height - 4.28 M
Wing Area - 30.9 M(squared)

Weights..
Empty - 3,226 Kg
Loaded - 4,720 Kg
Wing Loading - 152.9 Kg/M(squared)
Power Loading - 2.1 Kg/Hp

Performance...
Max Speed - 339 Knots at 6,600 M
Cruising Speed - 225 Knots at 4,000 M
Climb Rate - 6,000 M in 6 Min 7 Sec
Service Ceiling - 10,900 M

Production...
7 A7M2 prototypes and Service trials aircraft.

There was also some other interesting ones such as the A7M3-J with an armament of Two fuselage-mounted oblique-firing 30 mm Type 5 cannon and four wing-mounted 30 mm Type 5 cannon(HO machine?) or the A7M3 with an armament of Six wing-mounted 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons. I'm not going to type the rest of the specs for these planes as well as it would just take way to long but you can get them "here."

[trigger2]

Originally posted by Ghosth
I don't know that I've ever seen any of the A6ms in the top 5 planes by kills.
So how is that overused? As to abused, I don't see how you can possible rank the poor A6m's into the same category as any of the perk planes.

The F4u-1c back in the day, that was abused. 2 out of every 3 planes you saw were cannon hawgs. That was imbalancing to the game in the extreme, hence it was perked to compensate. At times I've seen the Nik come close to that description, but never the poor Zeke.

So the only conclusion I can possibly come to is that the A6m has been killing you of late.

in other words
it's too simple, it's easy and takes hardly any practice.
dweebs get in em (along with spitfires...) and have totally ruined the plane.
if i see an experianced pilot in one...i know to go the other way
i respect the truely experianced zero pilots, but 99.9% of em are dweebs who need to learn a plane rather than pick the easy kills.
if there would be more experianced people flyin em, i'd be all for it, but i just see it as another dweeb plane that's not needed.

[Motherland]

Though I will agree that the A6M is an easy plane to fly, Im going to have to disagree when you put it with the Spit. Why? A few main reasons.
One, unlike Hispanos, the Japanese 20mm's have overall crappy trajectory.
Two, it bursts into flames if you sneeze at it.
Three, it's very slow, unlike the Spit. It also compresses at like 350.

Factually, its not 'simple' at all. You have to have good SA or your screwed and you have to watch your airspeed carefully or your going to hit the deck, literally. Although it is an easy plane to fly.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by trigger2
in other words
it's too simple, it's easy and takes hardly any practice.
dweebs get in em (along with spitfires...) and have totally ruined the plane.
if i see an experianced pilot in one...i know to go the other way
i respect the truely experianced zero pilots, but 99.9% of em are dweebs who need to learn a plane rather than pick the easy kills.
if there would be more experianced people flyin em, i'd be all for it, but i just see it as another dweeb plane that's not needed.

There is no such thing as "easy kills" in a zero - far too many disadvantages.

And if you have read my post above - how can a plane responsible for only 2.7 % of all aerial kills & deaths (and a K/D  of only 0.95!) ruin the game?

[storch]

Originally posted by Lusche
There is no such thing as "easy kills" in a zero - far too many disadvantages.

And if you have read my post above - how can a plane responsible for only 2.7 % of all aerial kills & deaths (and a K/D  of only 0.95!) ruin the game?

the reason for the low kill/death ratio is probably because of the players who choose to fly this airframe.

last night I was one of three players (I was in a 110G full fuel and full eggs) defending V46 Rooks from the onslaught of the shedders.  all the shedders who numbered six players in aircraft and three players in LVTs. the flying players were initially in F6Fs.  the F6F proving no match for a 110 and two woobiecanes were soon switched to seafires.  the seafires not producing the desired results were soon swapped for A6M2s.

I promise you the problem is never the ride but the driver.  there are a lot of new guys playing and bless their hearts they are just climbing that steep learning curve.  

I commend these guys because at least they fight and put forth effort in obtaining their objective.  sadly the effort is being channelled by the "veterans" with the low numbers next to their names and these guys are helpless, clueless tooltardlings.

the future of the game seems worrying to me.  I fear it will all be about a low number next to your cpid.