A plea for the Stuka

[Virage]

Stuka without the sirens
is like Dolly Parton
without the melons.

[Iron_Cross]

The Stuka is great for anti-shipping duties, and taking out that 1 hangar thats holding everything up.  1800Kg of love for any target you want, what's not to like about that?  

Personally it is my anti-shipping weapon of choice.  I find a CV attacking a airfield close to shore.  I climb up to 15K with the Stuka and no body molests me on the way in, because they are all down in the weeds furballing.    First one takes out most of the CV AAA and radar.  I land and re-up to kill the crusier.  If I feel particularly spiteful, I kill the DEs surrounding the CV, before again going after the CV itself.   If I can get together two other pilots that are great with the Stuka, then no attacking CV group, or VH, would be safe.  2 on the CV and 1 on the CA and that CV group is just a bunch of DEs waiting to respawn

[MjTalon]

iron cross, you've got to fly a few stuka sorties and mission's with me man, you'll love it, i'm mainly in LW blue or with my squad the AA:aok  i'll keep a look out for ya so we could fly some stuka sorties sometimes

[schlowy2]

The story of the Stuka vs a formation of afk Lancasters:

I was flying along in a Stuka with an 1800kg bomb halfway to an enemy base, when suddenly I heard some engine noise, I'd passed right by a formation of lancs coming from that base going to mine. I immediately dropped my bomb, turned around, and went after the lancs. Just as I suspected, the lancs guy was afk.

My front machineguns have a 2000 round load (1000 per gun)
Convergence setting? I don't remember.
I started firing after 400yrds, endless pairs of flashes across it back and forth till point blank range.
1500 bullets (which took a long time to fire btw) of almost 100% hits into it and got no smoke at all, only 1 small piece (airleron possilbly), then finally, at about point blank range, it just blew up. (I got kill credit for it)
Then I put my remaining 500 bullets into the 2nd lanc from under 200yrds, which only got me an assist after someone else finished it and the third one.
The lancs never fired any bullets nor turned at all, the guy was afk the whole time.
I did not get to use the Stuka's rear gun.

Do we have a stuka or a suka?
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Beware the great german nerf'ed waffe.

[MjTalon]

well let's see. Seeing that it has 2  guns and you were shooting armored buffs, no wonder it took all day, that verison is mainly a Dber anyway. WE NEED MORE STUKA VARIANTS PLEASE

[schlowy2]

I understand that this is mostly a figther plane game so the fewer gv's need luv (protection) also... but if what Lusche was saying is correct... that other planes guns can seriously hurt tanks... then the question becomes why not a Stuka's guns? A Stuka variant with atleast one notch up of amo would be nice, atleast for air fighting... fair/balanced/historical?

I am thankfull that atleast the rear gun is a double 7.92mm instead of a single. And I'm also thankful for the selections of bombloads - one day I'll understand the bomb damage stuff more to use them, till then its the 1800.

Issues though: I, II, and III

I) Which countries plane to fly?
A hurricane IIC654321ABCDEFG instead of a Stuka?
Oh yeah, sure, lets fly an enemies plane! Not happening!
Some of us 'uber' folks might only wish to fly the Stuka, a plane of the Grrrreat Geerrman LuUft'waffe!!!
Not a geighestcane nor an ILwuteva2 either!

II) We must have a bombload to take off?
The IL2, which by the way, in game, can take off without a bombload...
The stuka can't up if the Ordinance Building is down, and that alone, imho, totally completely sux really badly.
If the Arado can take off without a bombload, why does any plane have to? (think about it, only fixed rearward firing guns... I once was shot down by one though heh.)

So I hereby begeth thine ghods (of whatever) to make the Stuka able to take off without bombs... i.e. without having to have the Ordinance Building up, especially for those times when the fighter hangar is down. I understand that the hangar is kinda crowded with all of the appreciated bomb load selections; however, one more option is required. 'No bomb load' option please please pretty please, with sugar on top please!!!

One could speculate why the Ordinance Building is one of the first to be destroyed. I think it has to do with the goal of 'sustained long-term vultching' although I am quite sure that the reason is not to stop lil ole me from upping in my Stuka, unless they're skeerd!

Selective information about taking off and having to have a bomb load:
1) The Arado and TBM are the only two 'bombers' that can take off without a bomb load. TBM is like a stuka with an extra gun underneath. An Arado without bombs is a sight seeing plane for those without the points for a 262?
2) The TBM (bout 17k lbs) is similar to the Stuka(13k lbs), except that the TBM has an extra underneath gun facing backward. The TBM can, why can't a Stuka take off without bombs?
For bomber/attack planes:
3) Something odd is that the B5N (Japan torpedo bomber, about 8.3k lbs) cannot take off without bombs (or torpedo). So the TBM can but the B5N can't. B5N only as the rear firing gun so it wouldn't be a dogfiter anyways.
4) The IL2 and the Stuka weigh about 13k lbs... the IL2 can up with no bombs but the Stuka can't? Phooey!!! Fowl, Fake, not fair... booogus.
5) The SBD (USA dive bomber) and D3A (Japan divebomber) can but the Stuka (german divebomber) can't... again boooogus fake phooey no fair!

III) WHY IS THE STUKA's FLOOR WINDOW BLOCKED BY THE BOMB? realistic??? Window sposed to be forward more? Bomb size is too big?
I read somewhere that they started their dive-run after alligning the target thru that window. Hmm, I also remember seeing them roll to the side before diving also... hmm.  Did the Junkers company mess up or have some graphical errors have occurred?

What seeems to be the problem? Schlowy

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by Virage
Stuka without the sirens
is like Dolly Parton
without the melons.

I made a Stuka siren sound, go to Custom sounds and skins and pick it up if you want it.

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by gpwurzel
Done a few missions in Stuka's........mostly against cv's.......good fun.....only snag is getting bounced by someone in a 262 (last mission I was on)...took virtually the whole lot of us down...lol.......too funny.......did try and turn into him, but with that 1800 on it....turns like a very slow house brick.......

Cant beat a bit of stuka action...(I blame MJTalon...he always gets me into a stuka mish...lol...)


Wurzel

Hahaha

That was hilarious.

It took him ages to get me.

I didn't want to ditch my ord... I thought he'd get bored trying to BnZ something that was moving at about 80 miles an hour.

[Xjazz]

something like this?
http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=105651

[schlowy2]

And another thing...

IV) Firing and targetting the rear gun.
That auto level junk potty which activates everytime I switch to the gunner station needs to be turn off'able. I would actually like to be able to set it so that it pulls up slightly and rolls slightly in order for the rear gun to be able to get a shot at persuing bogies.

[MjTalon]

Originally posted by Xjazz
something like this?
http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=105651

OMFG  I LOVE THOSE PICS OF THE STUKA CANNON VERISON! WOOW:aok  hitech, cannon verison stuka next please

[rednex21]

NICE STUKA!!!!! If only we had that in the game.

Another thing about the bomb loadout:

Wasn't it able to carry smaller bombs (like 4 250kg) or something else without having to carry that big 1000 or 1800 kg bomb.  Whats the point in using a big bomb like that on just one gv?  I would love to see a different loadout for that thing.  That way i can use it more for anti-armor.

Banshee7

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by rednex21
NICE STUKA!!!!! If only we had that in the game.

Another thing about the bomb loadout:

Wasn't it able to carry smaller bombs (like 4 250kg) or something else without having to carry that big 1000 or 1800 kg bomb.  Whats the point in using a big bomb like that on just one gv?  I would love to see a different loadout for that thing.  That way i can use it more for anti-armor.

Banshee7

Those bombs weren't just used on tanks or other ground vehicles.  Rudel used one to sink a Soviet cruiser.

While the Ju87 is a fun plane to fly and especially to fight in, I think a lot are putting too much into the G-1 or G-2 versions.  Yes, they had a 37mm Flak 18 cannon that was only able to carry 6 to 12 rounds in each pod.  These planes were only successful if they had air cover to protect them and it will be the same here in AH.  If you don't have a friendly fighter nearby to keep the pests away, you're going to be dead way before you even get close to your target.  I don't care how good you are, if you're caught by a fighter flown by even an average pilot who doesn't have their head up their arse, you're dead.


ack-ack

[TOMCAT21]

why not add the curtis SB2C Helldiver ?2x20mm cannon...2x30.cal...1000lbs bombs internal or a torp...1000lbs total on wings...

[schlowy2]

Wasn't there like a...
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painted on the left window, and maybe an opposite one on right side too? To check the horrizon when doing the bomb run.

PanzerIV, its not the same if only I hear it, I want my target and everyone in the area to hear it!

Hmm, considering that no bigwigs are posting... I think this plea is in vain!