School fees

[nirvana]

Ah the public school system isn't that bad Lasz.  I go to one of the top districts in the country and one of the best public high schools in the state.  At least I can read and write okay, that's all anyone needs.

[mietla]

Originally posted by Curval
I feel almost sick to my stomach.

I am about to pay $30,000 for two of my three kids school fees for the year.

The other one we pay monthly...but adds to about 10k.

That is $40,000 in total...for school fees.

I need a drink.

tell them you are an illegal there. They have to educate your kids for nothing.

At least that how it works here

[Curval]

No way on God's green earth am I sending the kids to public school here.  We have a serious education crisis at the moment.  Our pass rates are well below 50% and all we do is hire more people, who don't have a clue, into an entire system that has broken down.  The ministers in charge of education have kids too...they send 'em to private schools.

It sucks.  These fees really hurt, no matter how Ripvalesque that might appear.

I'd much rather spend the money on toys.

[Maverick]

Do you not have the option to home school?

[TalonX]

Originally posted by Curval
I feel almost sick to my stomach.

I am about to pay $30,000 for two of my three kids school fees for the year.

The other one we pay monthly...but adds to about 10k.

That is $40,000 in total...for school fees.

I need a drink.

Sorry, when I read this I honestly believe it's a form of chest beating.  

"Look, I can afford to pay this ridiculous sum of money so my kids can get a good education".   Of course, it is wrapped in the veil of self pity.....but the real message is how much money he has.

Sorry.

[Wolfala]

Just a quick question. What part of the country is it that the schools suck so much?

[C(Sea)Bass]

"school is for fools look at me!"
-funny line in mr.deeds

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Tac
Personally I think that one's real education begins until middle school.

Kindergarden is mostly social and motor skills
Elementary is mostly social and basic skills (mainly math, music, reading and writing)

Middle School though, is where their education 'gets serious'.


Why pay for private schools before middle school is something I do not understand. If your kids cant read,write,add,subtract and do basic 2-digit multiplication and division before they are 10 then something is clearly wrong with the parents and the school itself (but mainly the parents IMO. Sending a kid to school is not an excuse for not being involved in their education).

So... send them to public school and save that cash for their college I say

I completely disagree...  What Curv's doing is sending his youngsters off to a hopefully excellent school during the most important years...  The ones that form the foundation upon which all else is built.  

Once a person reaches college age, it matters very little where they go to school.  You have to work to educate yourself at that level.  The only reason to send your kids to a high-priced college is the old saying, "You can't marry 'em if you can't meet 'em."

Well, that, and if they want to do something so advanced a regular college can doesn't offer it, anyway.

[storch]

Originally posted by Wolfala
Just a quick question. What part of the country is it that the schools suck so much?

he's in bermuda so there isn't much country and all of socialism sucks

[lazs2]

It is not just the education so far as academic... if you go to a public school 1st grade for instance and then to a catholic one as I have to do to pick up my grand daughter and another child for daycare...

You will see that the kids in public schools are being trained to be wild animals and mostly are at a two year old learning level... they pretty much cater to the worst kid in the class... even if that means the kid in question doesn't even speak english... at the catholic school everyone is intent on listening to the teacher and raising their hands and the blackboard is full of...  well... useful stuff.

vouchers are the only way to save the school system in America.   The teachers union and politicians have destroyed public schools to the point that they can never compete again.

lazs

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by TalonX
Sorry, when I read this I honestly believe it's a form of chest beating.  

"Look, I can afford to pay this ridiculous sum of money so my kids can get a good education".   Of course, it is wrapped in the veil of self pity.....but the real message is how much money he has.

Sorry.

Or he is just venting and you choose to crap on his thread for reasons of your own weakness.  Why do you have to take it that way since it was obviously not intended that way?

[Maverick]

Laz,

A very significant part of that situation is that in the private school the parents are motivated to see that their kids actually do something. Since it costs the parents something of actual value (money) they want to get the full value of it. They are also interested in their kids performance as that helps make the parents feel their money is well spent. Having parental interest in the kids education tells the kid that this is of importance to the both of them and they should not just blow it off.

It was said before that people value that which has actually cost them something to achieve. That which is merely given freely is valued for the effort it took to get it, nothing.

Having said that, while I value the concept that EVERY child in the US (I am talking citizens and LEGAL immigrants) deserves to be educated, I think providing the first 12 years for free has failed as a concept of education.

You can put a kid in a school but if the parents are not interested and the kid does not want to learn, they will not be educated.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Maverick

Having said that, while I value the concept that EVERY child in the US (I am talking citizens and LEGAL immigrants) deserves to be educated, I think providing the first 12 years for free has failed as a concept of education.

You can put a kid in a school but if the parents are not interested and the kid does not want to learn, they will not be educated.

Not really disagreeing with you, but I would add that I'd rather have kids be failing at free public school than sitting around at home because their parents had no money for private school.

Some public schools do actually do very well.  They generally are in wealthier neighborhoods.  Somewhat like you alluded to in the snipped portions of your post, the performance of kids at such schools has very little to do with the $300 TV/Clocks found in them.

[moot]

The first thing I thought when I got to the US at high school level, was that the best education I could think of was K-12 in France/another EU country that's as strict and thorough, and then to be let loose in the comparatively infinite resources and potential of American universities and job market.

[lazs2]

mav... that is why I think vouchers would work...

So many of us actually buy the line that public school is "free"... it is no such thing... it is $11,000 a year for each student here in kalifornia... it is not free by any means.

If parents had vouchers for say $5,000 they could afford private school if they shopped around or... they could add a little to the $5k and make it work...  

vouchers would leave the crap public school zoo funded and if a parent didn't care or couldn't get his kid to perform or behave... he would have to put him back in the zoo...

In either case... every parent would be able to attach a real value other than "free" to what school really is.. they would open their eyes and see what it is really costing...  

lazs