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« Reply #165 on: September 15, 2007, 09:57:04 AM »
i read your reply taffy, i liked it :D

(PS: my mother and her mother were born in Neath)


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« Reply #166 on: September 15, 2007, 10:45:30 AM »
HAHA  your a son of a THIEF.....oh hang on that means.......ahh nuts......never mind the rugby was good to watch:)
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« Reply #167 on: September 15, 2007, 11:37:31 AM »
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Perhaps a "gifted" player logs off in shame when the LTARS start getting abused on Ch. 200?
Oh . . . that is supposed to be abuse?  I thought it was being descriptive . . . :noid
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« Reply #168 on: September 15, 2007, 02:45:59 PM »
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That's easy...You are on an anti-PC rap on the basis that you believe the word in question does not affect enough people to qualify as being offensive.  Appearently the n word and several other examples still qualifies as a slur, but this other one has lost its slur status.  So everyone should follow your lead and use it freely.  After all, it must no longer be a slur because it's kind of obscure compared to the list of others.  At least it has not been one in your experience.  Heck since your experience is tapped into the entire English speaking world, you must be right.

Oh, wait.  That's what the PC crowd does isn't it?  They arbitrarily decide what common term is now considered offensive.  We just need to do the opposite, and declare what offensive terms, are cleared to return 'use in mixed company' status.  What word is next on the adjenda that I can start to use freely?

 

That's the third reply to the thread.  What is so hard about shrugging and saying "When in Rome...."?  Nothing is hard about it...Unless you're just "offended" at the thought of it.


WOW Murdr,

I never knew you were such a champion of yuppiedom, it's as tho common sense is somehow a threat to your existance?

I personally HATE the PC world and agree whole heartedly with Drediock, when I was kid the old saying was "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me".

A tuffer skin would would make the world a better place for most folks and I think end some the stupid squabbles we have world wide.
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« Reply #169 on: September 15, 2007, 03:37:53 PM »
Alright.  Let's try an experiment.

Go grab three women.  Make a very crass joke about women.  You know what you'll find?

One will cry and yell at you;

One will not even notice; and

One will laugh her bellybutton off.

All three are women.  The only difference is that two have a life.
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« Reply #170 on: September 15, 2007, 05:55:41 PM »
My Father fought 36 continuous months in WWII...from Australia to the Phillipines with the 41st Sunset Division. The 41st "Jungleers" were called "butchers" by the Japanese because the 41st Division took few prisoners.

After WWII, he again fought in Korea...

And, in 1965...he went to Viet Nam as a civilian contractor and came home again in 1975.

In all of my life I never heard my Father refer to any Asian Peoples in a derogatory manner. He fought them, but never belittled them.

My Father taught me to think, "globally", to respect other Nations' culture, philosophy, and religion. He didn't say I had to accept these views...just respect that others have different views than my own.

In 1975, I was a young US Marine on liberty in Tokyo. I, and a fellow Marine entered a bar on the Ginza Strip. It was empty, but the bartender spoke English, so we had a drink. Soon, two Japanese Gentlemen entered the bar; one sat next to me, and the other, next to my fellow Marine.

The Japanese Gentleman who sat next to me engaged me in English, my native tounge, and the two of us explored history...

This Japanese Gentleman was my Fathers' age, as was his companion.
Whilst he and I explored history, my fellow Marine, and the Japanese Gentlemans' friend were in heated debate about Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima! The Gentleman with whom I was priveleged to converse had served as a Submarine Commander and told me about the realism the Japanese Navy felt by 1945. The debate on our left began to get heated, and the Japanese Gentleman rose from his seat, softly spoke to his companion, and they both left the bar. I asked my felow Marine what brought about the rift in their conversation and he said, " the guy asked me why Hiroshima and I said...remember Pearl Harbor?". My fellow Marines' language was not as polite as depicted here.

When the Japanese Gentleman left with his companion he spoke a few words to the bartender. I ordered a drink for us Marines, and was taken aback when the bartender refused payment!

The Bartender explained that the Japanese Gentleman with whom I had been conversing left instructions that any drinks we two US Marines should take would be out of his, the Japanese Gentleman's, personal bottle. The Bartender explained that this was an Honor and to not accept would be an affront. I ordered two drinks, one for me, and one for my fellow Marine, and saluted the Japanese Submarine Commander for his Graciousness, and for me, his insight into a bit of history.

My Father fought the Japanese. In his lifetime I've never heard him refer to the Japanese as...Japs...nor did I ever hear him refer to Germans,  as Nazis...nor the North Koreans, or Chinese as "Reds".

I respect my Father's views, and his courage to respect opposing views. I have endevored to do the same.

Today, the Internet gives us instant access to ......the World.

Why, on Earth, do we wish to insult others with whom we interact Globally, in Aces High? This is our Community! When Folks at work ask me what I do on my off hours, I tell them I play an online game that encompasses the entire world; I am priveleged to interact and talk with Folks from all around the Globe!
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« Reply #171 on: September 15, 2007, 10:22:20 PM »
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Originally posted by Murdr
That's easy...You are on an anti-PC rap on the basis that you believe the word in question does not affect enough people to qualify as being offensive.  Appearently the n word and several other examples still qualifies as a slur, but this other one has lost its slur status.  So everyone should follow your lead and use it freely.  After all, it must no longer be a slur because it's kind of obscure compared to the list of others.  At least it has not been one in your experience.  Heck since your experience is tapped into the entire English speaking world, you must be right.

Oh, wait.  That's what the PC crowd does isn't it?  They arbitrarily decide what common term is now considered offensive.  We just need to do the opposite, and declare what offensive terms, are cleared to return 'use in mixed company' status.  What word is next on the adjenda that I can start to use freely?

 

That's the third reply to the thread.  What is so hard about shrugging and saying "When in Rome...."?  Nothing is hard about it...Unless you're just "offended" at the thought of it.


I wasn't and haven't been only referring to the one single word in question.
but pretty much all of them.
And wether it effects them or not is irrelevant.
I have repeatedly said. rather then be offended. grow a thicker skin and worry more about the things in the world actually worth being offended over.
Silly words isn't one of them.

Now bearing that in mind I defy you to show me when and where I have not followed the "when in Rome" doctrine.

You will be hard pressed to find any reference by me here or in game.

There may be one time when I have used the word "Jap" in a derogatory sense.
. But even that wasn't coming from me but rather I was quoting my father in law directly word for word about one of his WWII experiences word for word when he lost a friend of his whom was right next to him.
To have written it any other way would have taken away  some of the flavor of the story and the salty character of my father in law.
Whom Unlike Patches father. Has never been able to forgive the Japanese
And wouldn't be real shy about saying so if asked.

But Like Patches father. He has earned the right to feel any way he wants about it in battle.
I am sure that for every veteran like Patches father, there is another like my father in law.
But like I said. that's their right to feel about it any way they want.
I wouldnt dream of trying ot tell either they were wrong for how they feel.
Only those who served with them have the right to pass that kind of judgement

But other then occasionally abbreviating Jap for Japanese. Your going to hard pressed to find a comment by me in that manner.

Come to think of it. other then the story mentioned above. Your probably going to be hard pressed outside of this thread to find me using the term "Jap" Although I might have. I do not remember doing so.
And if I have. It has always been used as an abbreviation and not in the derogatory.

And while I may practice the "When in Rome" doctrine here, And in reality it would be a rare bird you found if you ever were to see me use them IRL for that matter.
 I do not agree that people in general should be so damn,yes PC and huggy feely about worrying about offending this one or that one. Or this group or that group.
Particularly where mere words are concerned.
But rather I think the "offended" would be far better off. Not being Huggy feely themselves and yes, Growing a thicker skin. Just as I have from my own experiences and not letting such silliness bother them.

Again. The words only have power if we let them have power over us.

But just for the record. Yes the PC crowd does do exactly that.
And its reached the point of absurity.
But just because everyone else is jumping off that bridge. Doesnt mean I have to because right now its the popular thing to do.

As a rule I dont go around intentionally offending anyone.
sometimes I do. Sometimes if it was unintended and depending o the situation I might even apologise for having done so.
Other times.
Well lets just say I dont loose a whole lot of sleep over it.

Then again. I dont loose a whole lot of sleep over being offended either.

The worlds a rough offencive place.
You can either  -A- toughen up and learn to live with it.
Or -B- huddle crumpled in a corner calling for mama to protect you.

I'll stick with -A- As it makes me feel much more dignified and places me on a higher and stronger ground then those who would seek to offend me.

You can wetnurse those in option -B- if you like
But they wont become any better or stronger that way.
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« Reply #172 on: September 15, 2007, 10:36:11 PM »
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Originally posted by Vudak
Alright.  Let's try an experiment.

Go grab three women.  Make a very crass joke about women.  You know what you'll find?

One will cry and yell at you;

One will not even notice; and

One will laugh her bellybutton off.

All three are women.  The only difference is that two have a life.


But what I want to know is why is it if a man talks dirty to a woman its harrassment.

Yet if a woman talks dirty to a man its $2.95 an minute

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« Reply #173 on: September 16, 2007, 01:52:08 AM »
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WOW Murdr,

I never knew you were such a champion of yuppiedom, it's as tho common sense is somehow a threat to your existance?

I personally HATE the PC world and agree whole heartedly with Drediock, when I was kid the old saying was "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me".

A tuffer skin would would make the world a better place for most folks and I think end some the stupid squabbles we have world wide.
Don't confuse playing devil's advocate with what I might actually think about something.  I have known Dred much longer than AH has been around.  I challenged him to put the topic at hand in perspective with the much broader argument he was advocating.  I think he did that well in his last reply to me.

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« Reply #174 on: September 16, 2007, 02:17:33 AM »
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But I didn't mean it in a derogatory way, so how could it be offensive?

Oh and gringo is not a racist or ethnic slur, as Americans are not a race or ethnicity.

But thanks for proving my point anyway.


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From The american heritage dictionary, you racist scum:

Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for a foreigner in Latin America, especially an American or English person. Spanish, foreign, foreign language, gibberish,...

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« Reply #175 on: September 16, 2007, 10:55:14 AM »
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My Father fought 36 continuous months in WWII...


Patches, great story!

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« Reply #176 on: September 16, 2007, 12:21:47 PM »
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But what I want to know is why is it if a man talks dirty to a woman its harrassment.

Yet if a woman talks dirty to a man its $2.95 an minute

;)


Because we're stupid enough to pay, and can't tell that the woman on the other end of the phone is 57, a grandmother, and has a face that looks like a Rand-McNally map under a frost blue wig.  LOL
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« Reply #177 on: September 16, 2007, 12:31:20 PM »
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From The american heritage dictionary, you racist scum:


Unless I completely missed the true context here, doesn't this comment completely invalidate this 'chump' from any consideration as an unbiased authority on any plane of existance?  lol
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« Reply #178 on: September 16, 2007, 03:48:21 PM »
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Unless I completely missed the true context here, doesn't this comment completely invalidate this 'chump' from any consideration as an unbiased authority on any plane of existance?  lol


The dictionary is the authority in this instance.  If you are referring to me, I'm am an "authority" on few things.  The older you get, the more you realize just how little you know.

If you are referring to Ack-ack, his racism is documented on these boards.

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« Reply #179 on: September 16, 2007, 07:33:41 PM »
Here is some English for beginners....

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devil's advocate
     n : someone who takes the worse side just for the sake of
         argument

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Sarcasm is the sneering, jesting, or mocking of a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony, with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony intended to insult or wound
stating the opposite of the intended meaning

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sat·ire
–noun
1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.  
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.  
3. a literary genre comprising such compositions.