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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2007, 08:53:48 AM »
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I think its important that we realize that we are dealing with real people here. Think about the innocent who have to live through this.


Think about all of those that will die when the U.N. gets through mucking it up.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2007, 09:47:32 AM »
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Think about all of those that will die when the U.N. gets through mucking it up.


To imply that they will muck it up implies that they will actually do something with peace keeping troops.

Do not be fooled.  Just like every other time with peace keepers, they will do nothing.
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2007, 09:54:53 AM »
Lasersailor, the spawn of idiocy, speaks as if he knows anything. He doesn't.

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2007, 10:09:11 AM »
viking is right, the blue hats will do something, they stand by and watch or surrender.

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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2007, 10:41:33 AM »
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To imply that they will muck it up implies that they will actually do something with peace keeping troops.

Do not be fooled.  Just like every other time with peace keepers, they will do nothing.


Oh they do plenty.
Ask Dallaire.
They will make a big show and probably cut off communications and support, then leave everybody else`s *** hung out to dry.
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2007, 11:05:16 AM »
Yeah, they'll do nothing. Just like they did nothing to save your "elite" soldiers from the debacle in Mogadishu. Must be embarrassing that your best army guys needed rescuing by some lowly UN Peacekeepers. Even made the movies. You people couldn't handle a few casualties and the mighty USA withdrew from Somalia. The UN forces stayed.
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2007, 11:56:46 AM »
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Yeah, they'll do nothing. Just like they did nothing to save your "elite" soldiers from the debacle in Mogadishu. Must be embarrassing that your best army guys needed rescuing by some lowly UN Peacekeepers. Even made the movies. You people couldn't handle a few casualties and the mighty USA withdrew from Somalia. The UN forces stayed.


Well actually we were already pulling out of Somalia at the time of that incident. We didn't pull out any sooner or faster because of it, we pulled out on the already planned schedule.
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2007, 12:11:05 PM »
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Yeah, they'll do nothing. Just like they did nothing to save your "elite" soldiers from the debacle in Mogadishu. Must be embarrassing that your best army guys needed rescuing by some lowly UN Peacekeepers. Even made the movies. You people couldn't handle a few casualties and the mighty USA withdrew from Somalia. The UN forces stayed.


Your statement doesn't hold water by simply checking how long it took for the "Peacekeepers" to respond.
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2007, 12:18:46 PM »
How long did it take? Or didn't you check?

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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2007, 12:44:48 PM »
Here, I'll make it easier for you:



October 3-4, 1993 timeline

2:49 PM Two principle targets, Habr Gidr clan leaders, spotted at a residence in central Mogadishu.

3:32 PM The force launches: nineteen aircraft, twelve vehicles and 160 men.

3:42 PM The Assault begins. the boys hit the target house and four Ranger chalks rope in -- one Ranger, Private Todd Blackburn, misses the rope and falls 70 ft. to the street.

3:47 PM Large crowds of Somalis converging on the target area.

3:58 PM One of the vehicles, a five-ton truck, is hit and disabled by a rocket propelled grenade, several men are wounded.

4:00 PM Forces of armed Somalis converging on the target area from all over Mogadishu.

4:02 PM Assault force reports both clan leaders and about 21 others in custody, as the force prepares to pull out, three vehicles are detached to rush the wounded Private Blackburn back to the base.

4:15 PM Fighting and confusion delays loading the prisoners and pulling out. 4:20 PM Black Hawk Super 61 is hit by a rocket propelled grenade and crashes five blocks northeast of the target.

4:22 PM Crowds of Somalis racing toward the crash site.

4:26 PM Prisoners loaded, the convoy and ground forces all begin moving toward the downed chopper. Black Hawk Super Six Four, piloted by Michael Durant, takes the downed chopper's place in orbit over the fight.

4:28 PM Search and rescue team ropes in to assist the downed crew. Both pilot and copilot are dead.

4:35 PM Convoy makes a wrong turn and begins wandering lost through city streets, sustaining heavy casualties.

4:40 PM Durant's Black Hawk, Super Six Four, is hit and crashes about a mile southwest of the target. Hostile crowds begin moving toward it.

4:42 PM Two snipers, Sergeants Randy Shughart and Gary Gordon, are inserted by helicopter to help protect the injured Durant and his crew.

4:54 PM The Lost Convoy, with more than half of its force wounded or dead, abandons its search for the first downed Black Hawk and begins fighting its way back to the base.

5:03 PM A smaller, emergency convoy is dispatched in an attempt to rescue the men stranded at Durant's crash site. It encounters immediate obstacles.

5:34 PM Both convoys, battered and bleeding, link up and abandon the effort to break through to Durant. The remainder of the ground force of Rangers and commandos are converging around the first crash site, sustaining many casualties. Ranger Corporal Jamie Smith is among those shot.

5:40 PM Somali crowds overrun Durant's crash site, killing Shughart, Gordon, and every member of the crew except Durant, who is carried off by militia through the city.

5:45 PM Both convoys return to the base. Ninety-nine men remain trapped and surrounded in the city around the first downed Black Hawk, fighting for their lives. Corporal Smith bleeding heavily, medic requests immediate evacuation.

7:08 PM Black Hawk Super Six makes a daring re-supply run, dropping water, ammo and medical supplies to the trapped force. It is badly damaged, cannot land to evacuate Corporal Smith, limps back to base.

8:27 PM Corporal Smith dies.

10:00 PM Giant convoy, two companies of 10th Mt. Division troops along with the remainder of Task Force Ranger, Pakistani tanks and Malaysian armored vehicles, forms at Mogadishu's New Port, and begins planning the rescue. 11:23 PM The giant rescue convoy moves out, blazing into the city.

1:55 AM Rescue convoy reaches the trapped Ranger force. A second half of the convoy reaches the site of Durant's downed Black Hawk. There is no trace of the crew.

3:00 AM Forces still struggling to remove the pinned body of Cliff Wolcott, pilot of Super Six One.

5:30 AM Wolcott's body is finally recovered. Vehicles roll out of the city. Ranger force is left to run out of the city through gunfire-"The Mogadishu Mile."

6:30 AM The force returns to the Pakistani Stadium. Eighteen dead, 73 injured.

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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2007, 12:50:29 PM »
the way i heard it was the US troops had to commandeer the Pakistani tanks at gun point.

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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2007, 12:52:22 PM »
lol, sure. :lol

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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2007, 02:48:36 PM »
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Yeah, they'll do nothing. Just like they did nothing to save your "elite" soldiers from the debacle in Mogadishu. Must be embarrassing that your best army guys needed rescuing by some lowly UN Peacekeepers. Even made the movies. You people couldn't handle a few casualties and the mighty USA withdrew from Somalia. The UN forces stayed.


The way I heard it, the British had to liberate Norway from the Germans after the Germans spent 5 years enjoying the favors of a number of Norwegian women, and when they were tossed out by the Germans, many new children of mixed German and Norwegian heritage were left behind.  Maybe that is the rescue you are thinking of Fritz?
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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2007, 04:57:19 PM »
Hah, that's a real weak dodge Dago. Have you thanked the French lately, for your independence? ;)


The fact that you and others here refuse to acknowledge the efforts of the UN soldiers, even ridicule them when they saved your countrymen from certain death, says a lot about your character. Or rather your lack of character.

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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2007, 07:47:05 PM »
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Hah, that's a real weak dodge Dago. Have you thanked the French lately, for your independence? ;)


The fact that you and others here refuse to acknowledge the efforts of the UN soldiers, even ridicule them when they saved your countrymen from certain death, says a lot about your character. Or rather your lack of character.


All you know about the Somalia situation is what you saw watching a movie.   Do some real research for a change, I met guys who were there.

And be realistic about UN troops, they typically don't do crap, almost as irrelevant as the UN itself, and Norway for that matter.
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