Blackwater told to leave Iraq!

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by crockett
Yes in this incident that's what they were doing, but they have been used in the past as a actual fighting force at certain times.

I can see where an organization like Blackwater might be usedful in a combat situation.

Not being part of the US government. They arent bound by the same rules as the US military the can operate in that gray area. And thus be used to that extent.

I can also see where there could be a downside to that as well.

[VWE]

Originally posted by Maverick
Just a point of clarification here. I wasn't talking to you or even about you. It isn't all about you here. You might want to ask me to clarify before assuming anything. Not even you are the entire O'Club.

Copy?  

Pot kettle black, my response was to Soultkr... if you would have read what I wrote, and what Soultkr wrote maybe you would have seen some similarities.

[rpm]

This is rich. A few months ago there were a couple threads about contractors in Iraq and all the responses were "we have to have them" and "the job can't be done without them" or "every one I've met was super".

Now, there seems to be a lot of flip-flopping. Were you for the contractors before you were against the contractors?

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=209990
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=213558&highlight=profiteers+Iraq

[VWE]

Actually what seems to be rich is your inabillity to comprehend. One, this is a thread about Blackwater and two, my posotion on contractors is that they are here out of greed. I've had no flip flopping on this topic.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by VWE
Pot kettle black, my response was to Soultkr... if you would have read what I wrote, and what Soultkr wrote maybe you would have seen some similarities.

I read it, through before I posted. You didn't indicate who you were addressing it to and used a term I had just introduced in the post preceding yours. My assumption was that it was me you were talking to. I made my first post and directed it specifically just to avoid confusion. If your post was not directed to me, sorry, my bad then.

Given a text situation it's hard to tell who is talking to whom without specific names mentioned or a quoted post.

[MotorOil1]

It's kind of funny.  I'm not against contractors in Iraq but it certainly seems like they are not being held accountable?

This was posted a year ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJUEULWEP9c&mode=related&search=

It certainly doesn't present a positive image to the people of Iraq.  You need to get the people on your side if objectives in Iraq are going to be met.

[WilldCrd]

**SIGH**
Wheres Mr. Black when we really need him?

[VWE]

Buh bye, si a nar eeee  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071009/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_blackwater_report

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by WilldCrd
**SIGH**
Wheres Mr. Black when we really need him?

Obviously he is a partner in   Blackwater.

He is the tactical genius behind the VIP protection business, but government meddling in his business caused the problems we see today.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by VWE
Buh bye, si a nar eeee  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071009/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_blackwater_report

I dunno, VW-Maliki might want them gone, Iraq might want them gone, The whole friggin' Islamic world might want them gone, but I'm betting they stay to the last. Condoleeza Rice will stall, and stall, and stall, until either she's gone from the White House, or Bush says ok. Maliki's trying to make demands, anymore, and he just sees' the political equivalent of the back of our hand.

[VWE]

Mr. Black has got to still be here... I think he's crockett now.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by crockett
Yea the whole contact part of this war is a bigger sham than the war it's self. I've seen several interviews of US soldiers whom had their job given away to a contractor.

Hell one guy was trained to repair radios or something like that, and had his job taken over by a contractor. The army then put the soldier on guard duty because they didn't have anything else for him to do.

I was also watching the Military Channel yesterday one of the shows that were made with soldier's personal videos from Iraq. The guy was talking about how haliburton bills their meals, by "plates" rather than by what's actually served.

So each plate used by a soldier was billed at $40 each or something close to that.  So if a solder took a second plate to cover his food to keep it warm, his meal then cost US tax payers about $80 dollars.

In reguards to Blackwater, they should have never been used as any actual fighting force in Iraq. Their limit should have been protecting high profile personal, mainly meaning corprate heads or high risk civilians.

The sad but true part of the whom sham is, the very guys that worked for Blackwater, will likely be right back in Iraq under a diffrent contractor.

Whats worse is with posse comitatus being flushed down the toilet these untrained yahoos will be providing "police" services on a street near you after the next disaster.  Never mind that they are pretty far from being qualified & trained as cops, they get little gold Federal police badges & police powers.

Speaking of contractors, do a Google for a video called "Lees life for lies", Spc.Lee Kendell Tucker was KIA, his flash drive was captured by the insurgents that killed him. He complains about KBR et al

It can be viewed from here, after registering (free):
http://www.terroristmedia.com/nukem/download-file-934.html

Or from here:
http://lee-flash.blogspot.com/2007/01/download-new-documentry-film-from-iraqi.html

[Hornet33]

I was contacted by Blackwater several months ago after I retired and was offered a job over there as a technician working on their comms gear. I turned them down twice. The money would have great...over $80k for a six month deployment.

The reason I didn't do it is because they are mercenaries. I served my time on active duty and I know a few people that signed on with Blackwater and the ONLY reason they did it was for the money.

Now I have a job as a civilian contractor working for the Coast Guard but the big differance between what I do now and what Blackwater does is this. My job is to directly support the products that the Coast Guard uses in it's everyday missions. I work hand in hand with Coast Guard personel to help maintain the systems I work with. Blackwater doesn't. They work outside of the military and do their own thing and that wasn't something I felt comfortable doing.

Contractors can be very helpfull to military operations in a support role. Company tech reps and stuff working on government contracts don't take military jobs away from the troops. They support the equipment produced by their company that the military is using. I see nothing wrong with that, but to be called a contractor while engaging in actual combat operations that the military has no control over is a bunch of crap.

Personally I'd love to see Blackwater kicked to the curb. They have no reason to be over there. If diplomats and VIP's need protection, that is what the State Department Security force is for. If they don't have enough personel to do the job then they need to hire more people. At least then they will be working directly for the government.

[BBBB]

Originally posted by x0847Marine
Blah, blah, blah.

Speaking of contractors, do a Google for a video called "Lees life for lies", Spc.Lee Kendell Tucker was KIA, his flash drive was captured by the insurgents that killed him. He complains about KBR et al

It can be viewed from here, after registering (free):
http://www.terroristmedia.com/nukem/download-file-934.html

Or from here:
http://lee-flash.blogspot.com/2007/01/download-new-documentry-film-from-iraqi.html

 Man you are so blinded by your anti-war rhetoric you can't tell truth from fiction.  Spc Lee Kendell Tucker is not dead, he is very much alive. He is stationed at Fort Campbell, Ky.

 This stuff is nothing more than an Iraqi insurgent propaganda video. They got their hands on his flash drive and turned it into propaganda for their group. That isn't even Spc Lee's voice. This is total propaganda and you bought it hook line and sinker.

 I swear you hippies get more and more desperate to spread anti-war crap. You guys will post anything that has an anti-war message, no matter if it is truth or fiction. Stop being spoon fed crap and do a little investigating of your own. You will come out looking less like a moron.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/01/dead_us_soldier.html

 A simple search done on Tucker. He is not listed by the DoD as a casualty.
http://icasualties.org/oif/Details.aspx

[john9001]

al quida does not like blackwater, blackwater cheats, blackwater does not play by the geneva rules.

when Iraq can handle security in Iraq, there will be no need for a blackwater in Iraq.