This a followup. Thanksto everyone for all the great advice! I have found that going into a tight turning climb at the edge of a stall discourages the pesky 16's. It also puts me into position to drop down onto them when they give up or stall. With that said, the other tactic I have gone with is to single out other Spits before any other plane. Take care of it before it becomes a problem. Look for my UGH plane of the month thread coming soon...