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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2007, 08:19:26 PM »
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I've seen fewer true Christians commit crimes than I have atheists, agnostics, muslims, or any other religion. That is to say, I have never in my life seen a true Christian commit a crime, but I have seen tens of the other do so. Even against their own religion in many cases. That sticker is on the wrong book.

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As we get closer to a nanny state in the US, we see more inaccurate warnings than there are things to warn about.


I suppose all those pedophile priests we keep hearing about are in Church just for the poon-tang?

Or how about those fun guys torching women or splitting skulls during the inquisition? Didn't believe in god, either, I suppose?

Or those Mensa members from Kansas who turn soldiers' funerals into hate rallies? Are they really Jews, then? Or perhaps Hindus?

That sticker belongs on any religious manifesto. Your religion is just as rotten, myopic and dangerous as any other, so get over yourself and embrace something the bible should have taught you--humility.

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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2007, 08:20:11 PM »
I think 99.999999% of those who believe it must not have read it either.

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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2007, 08:34:44 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2007, 08:55:32 PM »
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2007, 10:22:03 PM »
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I suppose all those pedophile priests we keep hearing about are in Church just for the poon-tang?

Or how about those fun guys torching women or splitting skulls during the inquisition? Didn't believe in god, either, I suppose?

Or those Mensa members from Kansas who turn soldiers' funerals into hate rallies? Are they really Jews, then? Or perhaps Hindus?

That sticker belongs on any religious manifesto. Your religion is just as rotten, myopic and dangerous as any other, so get over yourself and embrace something the bible should have taught you--humility.


Neubob, you totally missed the words he used that answered all those examples you wrote. "True Christians"  A true Christian is a follower of Christ. You won't find them doing the things you stated above. Beleive me when I say that the people that do and have done what you stated are not true Christians. They do not beleive in Christ and his teachings. They are people with thier own agenda that use the name of whatever religion they wish to further it.

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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2007, 11:00:57 PM »
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Neubob, you totally missed the words he used that answered all those examples you wrote. "True Christians"  A true Christian is a follower of Christ. You won't find them doing the things you stated above. Beleive me when I say that the people that do and have done what you stated are not true Christians. They do not beleive in Christ and his teachings. They are people with thier own agenda that use the name of whatever religion they wish to further it.

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No, Mark, I didn't miss anything. I understood what he meant perfectly. I just didn't feel like dignifying his idiocy with anything better than an outburst. Since it is you who speaks now, however, I will attempt civility....

Take the world's entire population.... Now take away all the petty sinners, all the people that use religion for their vanity more than anything else, all the people that are intolerant of others, unforgiving, narrow-minded, greedy, judgmental, unwise and unsympathetic... You've got like 3 people remaining. And I'll be willing to bet you that those three people are just as likely to be Buddhists, Jews or, gasp, agnostics.

His proclaimation that Christians are somehow better was faulted in at least two ways.

First of all, by making that statement in the first place, and implying that he ranks himself among this population of 'true Christians', he exhibited the worst kind of spiritual vanity--both personal and on behalf of all Christians.... Bad Christian.

Second, by making statements that implicate others before himself, he was judgmental, narrow-minded and overbroad.... Bad Christian.

But my original point remains valid. All those vile characters I mentioned earlier, the pedophile priests, the guys with the thumb screws, the idiots with the picket signs at the funeral... All (or at least most) of these pieces of human waste also believed that they were 'true Christians'. They'd deluded themselves into thinking they were better--much like the poster who started this conversation.

Calling it a personal agenda is a cop-out, partly because there is no bright line between a personal agenda and doing the lord's work. Just answer the question of why you do good deeds-because you want to get to heaven or because you want to please god, or do you do them because you just want to be good? And if you just want to be good, why do you need the bible and the church to guide you? Isn't being good already good enough? So then why do you need Christianity at all? Because being good is not good enough? Or do you just need an instruction manual on what is good and what isn't? But don't you, an intelligent man, already know what good is? So why do you need Christianity? Are Christians all too dumb to understand what is good and what isn't good, intuitively? Of course not, so why do you need Christ? Why not just be good for the sake of being good? It's more efficient that way, isn't it? And god gave you free will and wants you to use it, right? So are you following Christ because maybe you need to please god too? Why? Because you want to get to heaven? Isn't that sort of selfish, when it comes down to it? A personal agenda, if you will...And those aren't the hallmarks of a true Christian.

It's not easy to answer, and I truly believe that most of those nitwits believed that they were doing god's work. They get lost in the tangle of belief and wind up doing stuff that isn's so great, but seems righteous. Most were just not smart enough to see some of the paradoxes.

Such thinking, once it's really sunk in, allows for basically weak and stupid people to do some pretty cruel things to those they see as different. And therefore anybody who beats their chest and uses phrases like 'true Christian', or, for that matter 'true muslim' or 'true atheist', is really nothing but a 'true idiot'.
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2007, 11:02:43 PM »
I dunno, the warning label looks about right to me.

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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2007, 11:17:09 PM »
I appreciate the civil responce Neubob but I have personally seen and lived around many more than just three who I would call true Christians. They, by the way, were sinners just like the rest of us. We are all sinners, there isn't any getting away from that, we were all born sinners.  They showed me a totally selfless life of service to others and to Christ that I would only hope to be able to approximate some day.

Christ gave me eternal life. Not here on this earth but in a world beyond this one. I call that place heaven. Though I am a sinner he has forgiven those sins of mine and because of that I shall be able to live that life of eternity.

The original post was, in my opinion, in poor taste regardless of the religion or book that would be represented.

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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2007, 11:26:31 PM »
Mark, I was going to jump on here and post something rude in response to Neubobs arrogance....

Thanks for showing me I don't have to. Sometimes its necessary to remind yourself that being secure in what you are means never having to push yourselves on others...lead by example, not by force...in all things.
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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2007, 11:28:33 PM »
The original post was an attempt at prodding people into a response. It worked.

What McFarland posted was the worst kind of pro-Christian tripe. That sort of thinking belongs in the 16th century.

If he thinks that he, or his people, are better than the rest of us, then he by default proves that he is not only worse, by virtue of his prejudicial inclination, but ignorant to boot.

Christianity does not have the best track record of religions. And I am sorry if this offends, but the price we pay to the sanctimonious masses to get a few 'true Christians' has been and remains much too high. And this goes for all religions.

Personally, I don't care if you worship Christ, Allah, or a tree in your yard. It's your business. But when some guy with an IQ comparable to his shoe size starts tossing around quasi-statistical rubbish to show that he's better, expect a response.

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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2007, 11:30:05 PM »
What does it matter to you what he thinks of himself? How does that affect you?
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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2007, 11:31:19 PM »
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What does it matter to you what he thinks of himself? How does that affect you?


What does it matter what I think? How does it affect you? You're secure, remember?

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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2007, 11:34:36 PM »
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What does it matter what I think? How does it affect you? You're secure, remember?


I didn't say "I" was, just that being secure in your own skin means not having to thump your chest, as it appears you (among others) are doing by proclaiming you are too smart to be fooled by Christians...any Christians.

I dunno...perhaps I'm reading too much into it. I've always found self described atheists as the loudest, most shrill, and intolerant persons around.

edit: Going to bed now...not to ignore you, but because I have to work manana :) I'll check back when I get home.
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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2007, 11:42:29 PM »
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Originally posted by Shaky
I didn't say "I" was, just that being secure in your own skin means not having to thump your chest, as it appears you (among others) are doing by proclaiming you are too smart to be fooled by Christians...any Christians.

I dunno...perhaps I'm reading too much into it. I've always found self described atheists as the loudest, most shrill, and intolerant persons around.


First of all, I never said I was, nor am I an atheist.

Second, it's not about being fooled by anybody. You have your beliefs, I have mine. I do not accept yours, nor do I expect you to accept mine. I can and still will be friends with you. If not you personally then other members of your faith. I do not care what you worship so long as you don't start building hierarchies of devotion by which you appraise me.

My entire quarrel was with the phrasing of the aforementioned post. And the reason that it bothers me is that it is the fetus, if you will, of a kind of thinking that when taken en masse can cause trouble. These Islamists that we often rage about--where do you think they get the balls to say that they know better than anybody what god is and what he wants? They know, just as McFarland knows, that their people are righteous. Plain and simple. Who's right and who's wrong is immaterial, so long as the opinion is there and the will to impose it is strong. No, I do not think he's evil. I just think that if you get enough guys like him thumping the bible, somebody else just take the next step and start doing odd things in the name of god.

In my mind, this sort of short-sighted arrogance, be it a Christian's or a Muslim's, is exactly what creates fanaticism. And yes, this bothers me because I don't want to live under religious tyranny of any kind, Muslim or Christian, domestic or foriegn.

Edit: Goodnight Shaky.
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« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2007, 11:57:06 PM »
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