Author Topic: External Ordnance and G's (Read 655 times)

Stoney74 · « **on:** September 27, 2007, 12:49:02 AM »

Although I can't find any documentation for WWII fighters, I know there had to be some sort of G limit for external bombs and rockets loaded on aircraft. For example, I can put 2X500 on the wings, a 500 on the center pylon, and 10 rockets on a P-47. I go into a dive exceeding 400 IAS, drop the two wing bombs, and perform a 6-G pullout and the center bomb and rockets (not to mention the attach points) suffer no ill effects.

I can't imagine the pylons (or even the wings) were designed to withstand such forces. At that load factor, the 500 lb bomb weighs 3,000 lbs and all 10 rockets weigh over 600 lbs individually. I would think there would be some sort of damage, at a minimum, to the pylons and rocket stubs. I know those components are not currently a part of the damage model, but perhaps in some update in the future they could be?

Tiger · « **Reply #1 on:** September 27, 2007, 11:45:17 AM »

while we are at it, is it possible in the current model to shoot the bombs off of fighters? If not, can we add that too?

titanic3 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 27, 2007, 01:18:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Tiger
while we are at it, is it possible in the current model to shoot the bombs off of fighters? If not, can we add that too?

make the bomb explode too. love to see an open bomb-bay Lancaster get shot right at the bomb...... KA BOOM. although i think that there was a release pin that was automatically dropped and when the pin was gone, the bomb is 100% active. so before the pin was gone, the bomb will stay dormant unless another bomb goes off 1 feet away from it. then....

PanzerIV · « **Reply #3 on:** September 27, 2007, 07:29:44 PM »

hmmm......

Stoney74 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 27, 2007, 08:05:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Tiger
while we are at it, is it possible in the current model to shoot the bombs off of fighters? If not, can we add that too?

Any chance we can keep this thread on topic? You want to start your on thread about shooting bombs off fighters, go ahead.

Not trying to be a dork, but I'm tired of my threads getting hijacked...

Redlegs · « **Reply #5 on:** September 28, 2007, 01:34:08 PM »

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Originally posted by titanic3
make the bomb explode too. love to see an open bomb-bay Lancaster get shot right at the bomb...... KA BOOM.

I remember reading about a bombing raid of B17s to Kiska in the Aleutians where a flak burst exploded in the bomb-bay of a B17 and destroyed it and its two wingmen. I'll see if I can find a link to it.

I read it in The Thousand Mile War by Brian Garfield.

Stoney74 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 28, 2007, 07:11:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Redlegs
...a flak burst exploded in the bomb-bay of a B17 and destroyed it and its two wingmen...

I guess not

SFraptor · « **Reply #7 on:** September 28, 2007, 07:39:50 PM »

all that would be nice to have

Apers · « **Reply #8 on:** September 30, 2007, 11:02:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Stoney74
Any chance we can keep this thread on topic? You want to start your on thread about shooting bombs off fighters, go ahead.

Not trying to be a dork, but I'm tired of my threads getting hijacked...

this thread is about disposable ordinance. You're talking about hardpoint damage and so is he. there's no hijack, here, just discussion.

Spikes · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2007, 11:03:50 AM »

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Originally posted by titanic3
make the bomb explode too. love to see an open bomb-bay Lancaster get shot right at the bomb...... KA BOOM. although i think that there was a release pin that was automatically dropped and when the pin was gone, the bomb is 100% active. so before the pin was gone, the bomb will stay dormant unless another bomb goes off 1 feet away from it. then....

No

SFraptor · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2007, 01:33:05 PM »

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Originally posted by titanic3
make the bomb explode too. love to see an open bomb-bay Lancaster get shot right at the bomb...... KA BOOM. although i think that there was a release pin that was automatically dropped and when the pin was gone, the bomb is 100% active. so before the pin was gone, the bomb will stay dormant unless another bomb goes off 1 feet away from it. then....

I agrea that you should be able to destroy bombs in a plane, and if thare armed when hit it should explode. A flack shell in the bomb bay probably would make the bombs go off too.

Redlegs · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:31:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Redlegs
I remember reading about a bombing raid of B17s to Kiska in the Aleutians where a flak burst exploded in the bomb-bay of a B17 and destroyed it and its two wingmen. I'll see if I can find a link to it.

I read it in The Thousand Mile War by Brian Garfield.

Ok i found the part in the book that talks about it. The Capt of the B24 (not B17) was Capt. Jack Todd. He and a flight of B24s and a LB30 were over the Japanese held island of Kiska at 15k feet when a 75 mm AA round exploded in the bomb-bay the explosion blew the B24 to bits and crippled the 2 wingmen. I cannot find a link online to this story but this is a summary of what it says in the book.

Stoney74 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2007, 09:07:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Apers
this thread is about disposable ordinance. You're talking about hardpoint damage and so is he. there's no hijack, here, just discussion.

No, what I was talking about was G-Force induced loss of external ordnance...i.e. limiting the amount of G's an aircraft could pull without losing the bombs or rockets. I'm not talking about loss of bombs from enemy fire, but from hard maneuvering.

Enjoy your thread...