UAV shotdown (video)

[Wolfala]

I'm punching out of this 1. Check the loss reports on 10/14/2002. It didn't happen. Count the time from time of launch to when the video ends. Its around 30 seconds. Check the destruct times on the SA-14,16 and 18.

SA-19 wouldn't be in theater since its part of the 2S6 system. They've only been to Belarus, India, Morocco, Myanmar, Russia...and of course Ukraine. Not Iran, and its not the easiest thing to drive across a boarder without getting noticed.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Wolfala
I'm punching out of this 1. Check the loss reports on 10/14/2002. It didn't happen. Count the time from time of launch to when the video ends. Its around 30 seconds. Check the destruct times on the SA-14,16 and 18.

SA-19 wouldn't be in theater since its part of the 2S6 system. They've only been to Belarus, India, Morocco, Myanmar, Russia...and of course Ukraine. Not Iran, and its not the easiest thing to drive across a boarder without getting noticed.

How did you managed to date this video to 10/14/2002?


And it does look a bit like this image, but as you said, that system shouldn't be in that theater.  http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-19-pantsyr-img016.jpg

[Wolfala]

Go 5 seconds into the video, it shows the time in UTC, and then switches over to the date just to the left of the waypoint display in the lower right. The Pantsyr was still in trials when this video was shot. The UAE ordered a few in 2000 and got the early versions in 2004, Syria in 2007 as well as Jordan.

Bottom line, it was not in service at the time this video was shot.

[BiGBMAW]

so the video is fake?

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Wolfala
I can't find a single missile with a slant range of 12,000 meters and an altitude above 17,000 feet.

That's because you assume it's shoulder fired missile.

Look at the launch blast. Way too big for something like Igla.

Doesn't have to be SA-19. Could be anything else of similar size, like FM-80, etc...

[DoctorYO]

First,

I dont think the flir time and the liveleak video time are the same, codecs when uploaded transfered etc..

Second if any of you classroom fellas been to a live-fire....?  the said self destruct doesn't always go off on cue..  its more like a guideline than reality.

But since your stressing these things I already have my answer to the live-fire question.

and third most radar based weapons dont do the bottlerocket shuffle, that the missle is doing.. they do trajectory to intercept. (saves fuel increases range) not the shuffle.

It looks like its being fired from pickup truck..  wheres the radar...  i looked at the tape a few times..  radar guided missiles need big radars..

Looks like some dude on the back of a pickup firing a manpad..

And by visual reference target is well within range..  manpads are no joke ... these systems work..  hence their threat..  Modern manpads aren't the freaking Redeye garbage.


DoctorYo

[Wolfala]

Doc,


On this point I agree with you. I am going by the FLIR time - starting at 0655:20 and ending sometime around :46 or 48.

Second with regard to Proportional Navigation which that missile is doing: PN dictates that the missile velocity vector should rotate at a rate proportional to the rotation rate of the line of sight (Line-Of-Sight rate or LOS-rate), and in the same direction. So large energy blowing moves starting off and then nulling the rate the longer the seeker is slaved to the track.

This hasn't changed much except in the Stinger and Igla series of MANPADS. I know MANPADS - its what I did my thesis on. My friend and classmate Lt. Brian Slavenas was killed by a SA-7 while piloting a CH-47 in November 2003 right around the time they became popular in Iraq.

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
any of you classroom fellas been to a live-fire

aye

Originally posted by DoctorYO
and third most radar based weapons dont do the bottlerocket shuffle, that the missle is doing.. they do trajectory to intercept. (saves fuel increases range) not the shuffle.

Missiles like Shahab Thaqeb (iranian HQ-7 copy) have triple guidance systems (radar, IR and optical), which one is used (1, 2, all) depends on what kind of pad are launched from.

Originally posted by DoctorYO
It looks like its being fired from pickup truck..  wheres the radar...  i looked at the tape a few times..  

Truck looks bigger than pickup.

Originally posted by DoctorYO
radar guided missiles need big radars..

bout 2 ft diameter, placed between rocket pods

Originally posted by DoctorYO
Looks like some dude on the back of a pickup firing a manpad..

Looks to me like truck mounted multiple launcher.

Originally posted by DoctorYO
And by visual reference target is well within range..  manpads are no joke ... these systems work..  hence their threat..  Modern manpads aren't the freaking Redeye garbage.

agreed

[Vulcan]

Look at the shadow the truck casts. There appears to be a fairly long singular 'rail' projecting up towards the UAV from which the rocket was launched.

I'm no expert like you gents but the shadow cast reminds me of this:



(SA-3)