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« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2007, 12:38:05 PM »
You guys are funny trashing FDR. I suppose GWB is in your Top 5?
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« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2007, 12:38:53 PM »
I don't need to trash FDR he did that on his own.

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« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2007, 01:36:15 PM »
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You guys are funny trashing FDR. I suppose GWB is in your Top 5?
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Hardly, GWB's policies on illegals as well as other concessions he has made against conservatives have made him merely average.
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« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2007, 02:36:29 PM »
yep..  bush is about average for the above stated reasons and his lack of vetos and allowing spending.   He is above average for his supreme court appointments and his allowing the assault weapon ban to sunset and his protection of lawful commerace  bill (saving firearms manufacturers from frivolous  lawsuits designed to destroy the industry).

borada... the new deal did nothing but leave a legacy of disgusting socialism.. the war itself would have gotten us out of the depression.

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« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2007, 03:49:50 PM »
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yep..  bush is about average for the above stated reasons and his lack of vetos and allowing spending.   He is above average for his supreme court appointments and his allowing the assault weapon ban to sunset and his protection of lawful commerace  bill (saving firearms manufacturers from frivolous  lawsuits designed to destroy the industry).

borada... the new deal did nothing but leave a legacy of disgusting socialism.. the war itself would have gotten us out of the depression.

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But Bush didn't really let the AWB sunset.  Congress did.  Bush even said he'd sign it if it were to pass again.
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« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2007, 01:40:44 PM »
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Boroda: The Market is driven by demand.  Right now, there's a demand that can be met by plundering.  When that resource is depleted, the demand will still exist, and the people smart enough to figure out a way to leverage Russia's massive resource potential will respond, prosper, and fill the need.


Demand is driven by greed: http://www.lovearth.net/gmdeliberatelydestroyed.htm

Your happy silly "invisible hand of market" things work when you speak about two beer booths or pizzerias (sorry).

It's impossible to develop new oil fields in Siberia without investments on global scale. Like 5-10 Russian yearly budgets. And you'll get first profit only decades later, when this fields will be almost exhausted. So it goes.

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The difference between us, Boroda, is that you operate from a perspective that assumes that individuals need to be controlled and cannot be trusted.  I operate from the perspective that smart people can do great things, and the best environment for them to do that is one where their skills are absolutely necessary and cannot be ignored.


Individuals not "controlled" could become ashes in nazi death-camps.

Look, we talk from different positions. You are from a happy warm country that didn't see a war for 150 years. I am from a country that got completely destroyed twice in last 90 years, and has 65% of territory in permafrost zone. Investments in agriculture per production unit here are 3-5 times higher here then in the US. Same thing about industry, this time our distances  pay their role.

There is no "universal" decision to any problem.

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« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2007, 02:32:12 PM »
boroda.. you are still missing the point..  the reasons we are a "happy warm country" and you are not is because of the different political systems and economic systems.  

yours has always sucked.  you treat your people like ants and they respond like ants... communism comes too... "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"

There is no other way.. it has to work like that.. communism is a killer of the human spirit.  

you can say that you had to mow down your retreating troops with machine guns in order to win... you can say that you had to allow your troops to rape and plunder...  I say that if you had followed our model you would have won without all that.   You would not have had to go through the subsequent collapse either.

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« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2007, 04:36:25 PM »
the reasons we are a "happy warm country"
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I remember years back when the russian comic escaped to the west......forget his name, but one of the jokes he had went something like this:

(with thick vodka enhanced russian accent) You know why we russians always so pisst?  because weather, you know.... its always so damned cold and miserable there....haha
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« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2007, 11:51:22 AM »
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yours has always sucked.


And it still sucks under "capitalism" that we have now.

Unfortunately, bolshevism was the only progressive system here. Anything else still sucks as it did under Romanovs.

"Practice is a criterion of truth". I have to agree with Lenin on this.

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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2007, 12:26:11 PM »
It seems funny that such a great, progressive system would need to keep its subjects confined within its borders at the barrel of a gun, preventing emigration.  

Also, it was strange seeing the happy beneficiaries of the socialist dream tearing down the Berlin wall, celebrating the collapse of the Soviet Union, and so on.

Must have been backwards day...
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« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2007, 01:25:07 PM »
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And it still sucks under "capitalism" that we have now.

Unfortunately, bolshevism was the only progressive system here. Anything else still sucks as it did under Romanovs.

"Practice is a criterion of truth". I have to agree with Lenin on this.


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« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2007, 05:46:31 PM »
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It seems funny that such a great, progressive system would need to keep its subjects confined within its borders at the barrel of a gun, preventing emigration.  


You are always welcome to grow wheat in permafrost.

Preventing emigration is yet another propaganda myth.

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« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2007, 05:51:10 PM »
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Preventing emigration is yet another propaganda myth.
Would like you to state categorically that the Soviet Union and its member-states didn't do anything to prevent people from moving to the USA or other countries?
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« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2007, 05:52:11 PM »
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Individuals not "controlled" could become ashes in nazi death-camps.
Death camps are created by control-seeking governments, not private individuals.
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« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2007, 06:11:52 PM »
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You are always welcome to grow wheat in permafrost.

Preventing emigration is yet another propaganda myth.


Berlin Wall was to prevent a mad rush of Immigration into your workers paradise.

We need a Berlin Style wall along our southern borders. I bet out of work KGB Border Guards and Stasi come cheap.

oh and FDR sucked, him and his whole entitlement system.
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