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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2007, 10:41:14 AM »
I've seen some of the commentary from medical professionals and totally agree that younger Americans are more vulnerable to illness today due in part to the obsession with cleaniliness and sanitation that we didn't have just 50 years ago. That's not to say that we should embrace the life style of pigs, but that some of our natural immunity has declined through lack of every day exposure to some of the more common bugs. E-coli has been around as long as we have and was very likely even more common in human food stocks 50 years ago than it is today.

I also agree that we can never make everything around us 100% safe for human life. Where do we draw the line? Topp's had been in business for 67 years and overnight they're out of business. Even if eventually proven innocent of any type of willful negligence they're gone. Who's next?

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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2007, 10:42:20 AM »
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I was having a friendly conversation with a doctor and it seems there may be some truth to this.

We have become so clean obsessed that for many their bodies are no longer naturally developing antibodies to resist alot of stuff.

Unless your performing surgery. You dont need to have everything sterile clean
I ripped the tip of my right thumb off on a jobsite back in apr 2003.  the skin came off exposing the bone to the first knuckle.  

we had 30k in tools strewn about an outside installation.  when the accident occurred I had five guys on the site.  from the sight of the injury one guy passed out and hit his head so hard on the asphalt I thought he had died.  one guy was running in circles calling my name and saying he was sorry repeatedly.  it took me ten minutes to get these guys calmed down.  

since it was quitting time I organized the site clean up and got all the tools up and sent the guys to the shop.  the accident occurred on a friday and I was going to meet some buds at a local dive so I called ahead and let them know I had been injured.  I went home and took a shower then went to the hospital where they amputated half of my right thumb.  from the time of the accident to the time I was administered IV antibiotics was about eight hours.

I didn't suffer any infection at all.

the nature of my business means I'm always getting cut my body is plenty immunized from whats out in the world I've been playing in and eating dirt since I was a child and have done so on five continents.

we are making our kids soft, they need to eat dirt.  they need to around all manner of flora and fauna.

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2007, 12:18:46 PM »
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You want affordable health care?  get 1950's level health care and.. hang the lawyers.   Need some $3,000 a month drug to live?  sorry... you gonna die.

need a transplant?  sorry.. can't do em.   Health care would be about $75 a month for full coverage.

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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2007, 01:09:02 PM »
I guess we just need to figure out the e-coli load that is acceptable in our food supply.

We can set it pretty darn high if we are willing to write off the very young and the very old in our society.

Think of how cheap food would be for the rest of us.

Oh and don't forget the water supply, chlorine costs money ya know :)  

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2007, 01:57:25 PM »
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Chances are most of the people handling our food are not in this country legally.  You really think they worry about hygiene regulations when they don't follow any of our other laws?


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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2007, 02:12:11 PM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I was having a friendly conversation with a doctor and it seems there may be some truth to this.
We have become so clean obsessed that for many their bodies are no longer naturally developing antibodies to resist alot of stuff.
 

My sons will probably be resistant to everything. It's like pulling teeth trying to get those dang kids to keep themselves clean. Creek, sand-dunes bike riding, frogs, snakes, drainage tunnels, rolling all over the grass...
And actually, come to think of it, they haven't been that sick.  All of their trips to the hospital have been injury instead of illness.
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2007, 02:17:26 PM »
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I ripped the tip of my right thumb off on a jobsite back in apr 2003.  the skin came off exposing the bone to the first knuckle.  

we had 30k in tools strewn about an outside installation.  when the accident occurred I had five guys on the site.  from the sight of the injury one guy passed out and hit his head so hard on the asphalt I thought he had died.  one guy was running in circles calling my name and saying he was sorry repeatedly.  it took me ten minutes to get these guys calmed down.  

since it was quitting time I organized the site clean up and got all the tools up and sent the guys to the shop.  the accident occurred on a friday and I was going to meet some buds at a local dive so I called ahead and let them know I had been injured.  I went home and took a shower then went to the hospital where they amputated half of my right thumb.  from the time of the accident to the time I was administered IV antibiotics was about eight hours.

I didn't suffer any infection at all.

the nature of my business means I'm always getting cut my body is plenty immunized from whats out in the world I've been playing in and eating dirt since I was a child and have done so on five continents.

we are making our kids soft, they need to eat dirt.  they need to around all manner of flora and fauna.


I couldn't agree more.  

I hate to see them go under because of this.
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2007, 02:24:21 PM »
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This is assuming that everyone has the capability to check to which degree meat is cooked.


Everyone does indeed have the capability if they're checking their own at home. $2.00 meat thermometer.  Whether they have the desire to put the 3 seconds worth of time or effort in to it is another story.

And QC at public facilities should already be doing this... or they lose customers. Shouldn't fall on the shoulders of the folks who provide the meat though.
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2007, 03:28:19 PM »
This country is on the same path of the Romans

as long as Britney is on the tv then the population does not give a crap. Unfortuneatly stupid people breed fast are usually poor and now have modern Medical tech to put them back together and Expensive lawyers to go after whoever "wronged" them, plus we have over 12 mil "barbarians" in the country and more at the gates, but we actually have no gates.


While believing in personal hygiene there are some areas where I am a slob and eat dirt, I think it is beneficial to building up anitbodies too.
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2007, 03:33:55 PM »
12 million lol, the state of Florida has more than that alone. I am moving on Wednesday to a state that has less then a million people, and I better not see any illegal mexicans, somolians, etheopians vying for my job.

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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2007, 03:40:01 PM »
In Oregon now there are spanish signs on things. in fricken Oregon Thousands of miles from the Border I should not have to see a word of that tongue but alas everyday.
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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2007, 09:07:46 PM »
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12 million lol, the state of Florida has more than that alone. I am moving on Wednesday to a state that has less then a million people, and I better not see any illegal mexicans, somolians, etheopians vying for my job.


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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2007, 10:48:10 PM »
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What's scary is....how much of this e-coli stuff was around 20-30 years ago, but wasnt tested for or known about?


E-coli has always been around. In properly cooked food it is killed. It is imperative to cook hamburger meat all the way through with no red in the middle. It is not like a steak where it is safe to be cooked rare.

The difference being that when hamburger is ground, all the outside surface is mixed through and through. Any contamination on the outside is mixed in.

Another point to note about hamburger is the color. When the meat is ground, oxygen mixes in and will cause the meat to turn brown from the inside out... the leaner the meat the more noticeable and quicker this occurs. Doesn't mean it's bad... just the way meat does after touching air.

Same thing happens to steaks. Once they see air you can lay them on top of eachother as in a family pack... and when you part them you can see a dark area where the upper steak layed on the lower steak.

You'll see more of this type recall in the future as less and less meat is processed at your local store anymore. More than half is processed at a central location where a contamination of this sort will affect much more meat at one time.

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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2007, 01:11:58 AM »
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You'll see more of this type recall in the future as less and less meat is processed at your local store anymore. More than half is processed at a central location where a contamination of this sort will affect much more meat at one time.


Very good point.
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2007, 03:32:26 AM »
I raise your Salmonella with Botulin!!!
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