A different point of view.

[Neubob]

Sorry but I just couldn't find a better version of the action shot that works.

Joke failed

[Jackal1]

6. Blacks eat more fish than whites by a 4 to 1 margin. For every dollar that whites spend on fish, blacks spend $9 on fish. Fish sold wholesale for $1 will retail at $2.50 - $3.00. Guess what business we should

Now hiring bait cutters.
Apply within.

[rpm]

I see a lot of misinformation in that MT.

[lazs2]

hey RTR... I got an idea...

Why don't you tell me and MT what is involved with your "reality"

Nobody likes a whiner... negros whine so much that people flat out avoid em if the can.   Nobody likes to be blamed for other peoples failings.... negros blame everyone else for their failings so much that people flat out avoid em.

They are getting worse... they went from a gospel/motown culture to a rap culture.   They went from a race with stable marriage rates to the worlds worst... rare any of em have any idea who the father is.

They commit more crime than any other race... more drug addicted...

A very few are not buying it tho and are joining the middle class... I applaud that but..  even so.. as was shown in an example above about the coast guard.... they still whine in the most annoying and silly way.

In my case it is the one fireman who is negro that we have...he has had his life handed to him and has it made yet.... he sees persecution everywhere... take any of the mandatory "harassment" classes or such with him and see him turn it into some discussion about how rough it is to be a negro..

I was proud that at least the last time he spoke up there was an audible groan from everyone else.

lazs

[JimBear]

Interesting MT, thanks for sharing.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by rpm
I see a lot of misinformation in that MT.

MT wasn't purporting it.  He was just showing us how they think.

[moot]

Adapt or die.

[parker00]

Does everyone really feel there is a level playing field? Are you all really that naive or just in denial? Being a 30 yr old white male I can even see the differences yet so many on here think its fair.   Not saying they don't have a chance but come on now the cards are stacked against them.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by parker00
Does everyone really feel there is a level playing field? Are you all really that naive or just in denial? Being a 30 yr old white male I can even see the differences yet so many on here think its fair.   Not saying they don't have a chance but come on now the cards are stacked against them.

Yup... The playing field is not level.

Admissions departments at the undergraduate, as well as graduate level give them breaks, both on GPAs as well as standardized tests. They have more organizations working for them to create scholarship funds. On a social level, it's perfectly acceptable for them to complain about the whites, and at the same time, perfectly acceptable for them to not hear a single word in response.

Plenty of other races have been marginalized in this nation, but not a single one has been this proficient at milking the sympathy, or torpedoing their own chances at any sort of upward mobility.

It may not always be fair, but it also never has been, for anybody. Asians, Hispanics, immigrants from all over the world... People come here with less than the blacks have at birth. They come with no money, no language, no friends, and few connections. Yet somehow, within a generation or so, the bulk of them pull themselves up, take advantage of the opportunities, and move on... All the while listening to how hard the blacks have had it.

Your continued empathy is what's naive, and it's also boring. Just keep spoon-feeding their self-loathing sense of entitlement and see how that helps the 'playing field'. In the meantime listen to some rap lyrics and try to pinpoint exactly where Black America's value systems is headed.

[parker00]

Originally posted by Neubob
Yup... The playing field is not level.

Admissions departments at the undergraduate, as well as graduate level give them breaks, both on GPAs as well as standardized tests. They have more organizations working for them to create scholarship funds. On a social level, it's perfectly acceptable for them to complain about the whites, and at the same time, perfectly acceptable for them to not hear a single word in response.

Plenty of other races have been marginalized in this nation, but not a single one has been this proficient at milking the sympathy, or torpedoing their own chances at any sort of upward mobility.

It may not always be fair, but it also never has been, for anybody. Asians, Hispanics, immigrants from all over the world... People come here with less than the blacks have at birth. They come with no money, no language, no friends, and few connections. Yet somehow, within a generation or so, the bulk of them pull themselves up, take advantage of the opportunities, and move on... All the while listening to how hard the blacks have had it.

Your continued empathy is what's naive, and it's also boring. Just keep spoon-feeding their self-loathing sense of entitlement and see how that helps the 'playing field'. In the meantime listen to some rap lyrics and try to pinpoint exactly where Black America's value systems is headed.

I used to think just like you but really once I got out and starting working for both small and corporate employers I can easily see a difference. I had several jobs working for small mom and pop companys that I would say 4 out 5 actually told me they would not hire a black person. And not a one of them ever did while I worked there. Then I got a job with one of the largest telecommunication companies in the world and at first glance I thought it was different. Many black co-workers and even a couple black bosses. But then one day our VPs had a all-hands meeting and there where 12 of them on a stage. 1 black man, 1 white women and 10 old white men. Then I noticed in my department there were several black people who half of them had degrees and worked very hard. Myself not having a background in computers (never even seen the internet until I started there) and no college education at all, I was promoted above all of them. I don't have a single black boss all the way to CEO. Sorry but the naive person is you and those like you.

Like I said before, I know they have a chance but really the chance is small.

[Ghosth]

Sorry but I must disagree about the race of the Folsum People.
With that called into question that nullify's or calls into question everything  else said.  If your going to build a post based on a single point, make DARN sure that point is verifiable.

You will find below Snippage, then below it the link where said snippage can be found........................ .

Scientist can merely speculate on the appearance of these ancient people, for no skeletal remains have been found. From the slim evidence left behind, they were nomads who knew the use of fire, made their own weapons and were skilled hunters.

http://folsommuseum.netfirms.com/folsomman.htm

You had ask a question regarding the Folsom People of New Mexico as a race of African American's. The reply given was they were Asian and Caucasian.  As an expert Acheologist, what prompt you to question the Race Ethnic of these historical race of people?

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Archaeology-654/Folsom-People-New-Mexico-1.htm

Ainu Theory- I support the theory that the ancestors of the present Ainu People of Japan may have been the people we refer to as the Clovis, Folsom People. These Caucasoid featured people created magnificent points which were not equaled for thousands of years after their disappearance. We do not know if they disappeared from disease or whether they intermarried with those who arrived later, but their points can certainly be referred to as fine art.

http://naturalfrequency.net/Ray/clovisfolsom.htm


From the Declaration of Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

All Babies born are created equal. Everyone comes into this world naked, virtually toothless, and helpless. What we DO with what we are given makes a huge difference. In short, everyone gets a life, how long a life is often out of our control.

Liberty, no one has the right to be sold as a slave. That is not to say you can not contract yourself into the same or equal state. But that was YOUR choice.

Pursuit of happiness, not promised, or delivered, but we are allowed to PURSUE our own happiness. Again, what we get is up to us and what we pursue. And how hard we pursue it. Its not up to the Government to give it to us, its up to us to go out and work for it.

[lazs2]

parker... at age 30 you may think you have uncovered some great truth... hell... must be true..the media tells you it is but..

As you get older and look around... you may develop a more rational and pragmatic viewpoint.

Why do you suppose that the people you talked to did not want to hire negros?

lazs

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by parker00
I used to think just like you but really once I got out and starting working for both small and corporate employers I can easily see a difference. I had several jobs working for small mom and pop companys that I would say 4 out 5 actually told me they would not hire a black person. And not a one of them ever did while I worked there. Then I got a job with one of the largest telecommunication companies in the world and at first glance I thought it was different. Many black co-workers and even a couple black bosses. But then one day our VPs had a all-hands meeting and there where 12 of them on a stage. 1 black man, 1 white women and 10 old white men. Then I noticed in my department there were several black people who half of them had degrees and worked very hard. Myself not having a background in computers (never even seen the internet until I started there) and no college education at all, I was promoted above all of them. I don't have a single black boss all the way to CEO. Sorry but the naive person is you and those like you.

Like I said before, I know they have a chance but really the chance is small.

Did you ever stop to think that the prejudice of the small business owners wasn't based off of mere whim?  And that something happened that caused them to think that way?

[Neubob]

Originally posted by parker00
I used to think just like you but really once I got out and starting working for both small and corporate employers I can easily see a difference. I had several jobs working for small mom and pop companys that I would say 4 out 5 actually told me they would not hire a black person. And not a one of them ever did while I worked there. Then I got a job with one of the largest telecommunication companies in the world and at first glance I thought it was different. Many black co-workers and even a couple black bosses. But then one day our VPs had a all-hands meeting and there where 12 of them on a stage. 1 black man, 1 white women and 10 old white men. Then I noticed in my department there were several black people who half of them had degrees and worked very hard. Myself not having a background in computers (never even seen the internet until I started there) and no college education at all, I was promoted above all of them. I don't have a single black boss all the way to CEO. Sorry but the naive person is you and those like you.

Like I said before, I know they have a chance but really the chance is small.

Of course they don't hire them at the same rates--and it's not because their skin doesn't reflect as much light as that of their co-workers.

Blacks aren't educated at the same rates, and don't commit crimes at the same rates. If you want to blame white america for this, go ahead, but that's just another example of the same pandering that has gotten them nowhere. The fact that you were promoted ahead of somebody else is no reason to start making policy to 'even things out' across the board. The fact is, most of their problems are spawned within the black community, by the attitudes of their parents and role models.

The blacks aren't the first to be oppressed. I will repeat this again. They are not the first. The Irish, the Chinese, the Asians... They all had these problems. They were all held back for who they were. For some reason, you don't hear them whining and complaining about it. They made do, went out on their own, became independent of the system that was oppressing, or simply learned to provide an indispensible service. You can see it even today--especially with the Chinese. They come here and start businesses. They bust their butts... They save up, live frugally and send their kids to college. They are known for this... And yet these are the same people who were treated like in the late 19th century.

So far, black America has only industrialized the process of pointing fingers and making up excuses. And with recruits such as yourself carrying their message into the new century, I'm sure it will not stop anytime soon.

They've already got a Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ready to start a riot at the drop of a hat. If you want to stand alongside them and preach, go ahead, but don't expect much sympathy. Enough is enough.

[Toad]

MT, do you consider this a top water lure? Or is it a shallow running spinner?

BTW, be careful; Fish & Game may want to see your license and check the live box. I think you're over the limit and some may not meet the size requirement.