Even wearing a seatbelt can't save you from this kind of accident...

[Oogly50]

Oh yea, and try this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0RG64pfKs

I'm assuming it would be the same one...



Wow, the final destination series never really seizes to amaze me.  Here's how they usually work.  A group of high-schoolers hang out, and then one of them gets this HORRIBLE vision.  Then, when they're done... the vision starts to actually happen.

The survivors of what happen, get killed in order of when they survived.  Let's say you were the last person to get in the accident, and you survived.  You would be the first to die from some random, deadly, un-preventable event.

It's your destiny... DON'T HIDE FROM IT!

I haven't seen this one, but I saw the third one.     My mom didn't like it.

 To keep this Hi-Jack on topic...  I'm just going to say, the cause for this event, was, before the truck left, the trucker must not have tied the logs on right.  The effect was.........  This.

 But don't let ME tell you, let the trailer talk.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCygxisNzgg&mode=related&search=

[Viking]

Another one that doesn't get that innocence or "not at fault" is not required for it to be an accident. I don't know what language you're trying to use, but it's not English.


Here's the insurance companies' definition:

'Accident' is an ambiguous term that can include at-fault, not-at-fault, reported and unreported collisions that you, as the driver, were involved in. It is a sudden fortuitous event. Often used to refer to a collision or insurance event. With road rage and other occurences that are creating granular definitions, some states are trying to add more legal language to the definition in order to make sure an accident is covered by an insurance carrier. It should be covered by an insurance carrier. Some states simply say it is an occurrence that is unexpected and unintended from the standpoint of the person who is injured.

You can break down an incident into these categories:
# "Violations" - Police involved occurrences where you were cited by law enforcement.
# "At Fault Accident" - Collision where you were negligent.
# "Not at Fault" - Collision where the other party was negligent.
# "Comprehensive Claim" - Reported and unreported collisions where you were involved.

Not at fault occurrences in which your parked vehicle was damaged in a collision also are considered accidents. You can find this and other definitions in the Car Insurance Larning Center at CarInsurance.com.

[Maverick]

As to the language used in this discussion, it is English. The dictionary quotes came from English dictionaries.

Accident an ambiguous term, yep I can go with that. That is why it's inappropriate for the vast majority of traffic collisions.

Insurance companies are not in the business of determining what or how it happened, just how little they will have to pay for their client's negligence.

Road rage wasn't a part of the discussion. You are reaching here trying to put criminal activity into a discussion it doesn't belong in. Road rage is very intentional and doesn't even fit your understanding of unintended.

Whether the collision is reported is immaterial, the negligent action has already occurred. Stupid is still stupid no matter if anyone puts it on paper or not. You do not need a ticket for negligent vehicle operation to have happened.

No fault insurance is a means that insurance companies have devised to cut the losses from their clients negligent driving. It just means that the driver at fault insurance company does not have to be responsible for their bad driving. The cost of the negligence is spread to the victims insurance as well.

You just misinterpreted what Mark was saying, now just admit it (or not) and go sulk.

[Viking]

I'm not trying to "put criminal activity" into anything, but it seems you and others here are trying to put "negligence" into a definition where it doesn't belong. Namely "accident".

ac·ci·dent (ăk'sĭ-dənt, -dĕnt') pronunciation
n.

1.
1. An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car accidents on icy roads.
2. An unforeseen incident: A series of happy accidents led to his promotion.
3. An instance of involuntary urination or defecation in one's clothing.
2. Lack of intention; chance: ran into an old friend by accident.
3. Logic. A circumstance or attribute that is not essential to the nature of something.


That's what accident means in the English language, and Mr. Luper's "there are no accidents" is very uncompromising and leaves little room for misinterpretation.

I don't intend to "go sulk" since I'm quite content with my position in this debate. However, I see you are acting emotionally.

[Maverick]

You need to come up with something different rather than merely repeat the same definition over again.

BTW Mark did not say there were no accidents. He specifically said crashes due to mistakes people make. Collisions by far are the results of negligent operation of a motor vehicle however unintentional. Again that is a part of the definition of negligence as well in both in common usage and legal terminology. There is a cause to the collision and the vast majority of it is due to the operator not complying with a law or exercising due care in the operation of the vehicle which is also covered by law. Of the ones I investigated there were very few that I could not determine who created it. Most of those was because either one or both sides were not telling me what really happened (IE red light & fail to yield) and there were no independent witnesses.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Maverick
BTW Mark did not say there were no accidents. He specifically said crashes due to mistakes people make. Collisions by far are the results of negligent operation of a motor vehicle however unintentional. Again that is a part of the definition of negligence as well in both in common usage and legal terminology. There is a cause to the collision and the vast majority of it is due to the operator not complying with a law or exercising due care in the operation of the vehicle which is also covered by law. Of the ones I investigated there were very few that I could not determine who created it. Most of those was because either one or both sides were not telling me what really happened (IE red light & fail to yield) and there were no independent witnesses.

This is what he said:

Originally posted by Mark Luper
Why to they call crashes caused by someone's mistake accidents? Accidents don't happen, someone screws up somewhere down the line every time.

Mark

And it is a misnomer. Whether someone made a mistake or not is inconsequential to the meaning of the word "accident". As long as it is unintentional it is by definition an accident. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Originally posted by Maverick
You need to come up with something different rather than merely repeat the same definition over again.

It seems I have to. For some reason the definition of "accident" doesn't seem to sink in for some people.


ac·ci·dent
n.

1.
1. An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car accidents on icy roads.
2. An unforeseen incident: A series of happy accidents led to his promotion.
3. An instance of involuntary urination or defecation in one's clothing.
2. Lack of intention; chance: ran into an old friend by accident.
3. Logic. A circumstance or attribute that is not essential to the nature of something.


You may disagree with this definition, that is your right ... However in doing you will only be confirming that while you are indeed speaking (well ... writing actually), you are not speaking English. And neither is Mr. Luper.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Viking
You may disagree with this definition, that is your right ... However in doing you will only be confirming that while you are indeed speaking (well ... writing actually), you are not speaking English. And neither is Mr. Luper.

With this quote I leave you to your own private reality. I choose not to be there, I'd rather be where reality is what is, not what your delusion says it is.