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Offline Hornet33

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« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2007, 03:49:36 PM »
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Just go to google and type "Aim-54 phoenix propellant cracks".  Then take your pick.

The article I read said that Navy inspection teams found cracks in over 50% of the Aim-54C's in storage.


Considering the AIM-54 could use 2 different rocket motors, Aerojet Mk 60 or Rocketdyne Flexadyne Mk 47 long-burn-time solid-fuel rocket, if a crack was found it would be no big deal to replace the motor however, I have found no official sources stating that cracks in the solid fuel propellant was ever an issue.

There were however issues with the warhead fuse.

The AIM-54 has had a history of delays and, more recently, quality control problems. Production schedules have not been met, especially since a Department of Defense (DoD) decision in 1984 to withhold payments, a decision which closed down the line for several months. At one point, 240 of 318 AIM-54Cs delivered to the Navy under FY1982/FY1983 contracts, were in storage because of a unreliable fuze. A redesign of the FSU-10/A fuze was tested on 11 Sep 1987 and failed to explode, prompting the cancellation of further flight tests and imposing further delays in deploying a fully capable AIM-54C. The stockpile of completed, but fuzeless, missiles grew to over 500 before a new version of the FSU-10 fuze was accepted in the summer of 1988 with deliveries commencing soon afterward.

An August 1988 DOD inspector general report revealed that the Navy paid Hughes Aircraft more than 3 times the estimated cost to produce the AIM-54C. The report also criticized the selection of Raytheon as a second source and the scheduling of full competition beginning in 1989. The auditors contended that the Raytheon missile has not been adequately tested, and because testing was not scheduled to be completed until early 1990, it would be unwise to award Raytheon a portion of the 1989 contract.

Despite these concerns, the Navy awarded Raytheon more than half of the missiles to be built (208 to 195) under the 1989 contracts. The FY1990 contract, the last planned, was awarded as a block to Hughes.
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« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2007, 04:34:02 PM »
Good thread :aok
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« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2007, 04:39:09 PM »
Also i get the feeling that the F-14 was just a more modern version of the P-38. :confused:
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« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2007, 04:42:16 PM »
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Also i get the feeling that the F-14 was just a more modern version of the P-38. :confused:


It did have a long troubled history like the P-38, and it was ALMOST as cool as the 38.
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« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2007, 05:12:45 PM »
I know, I give the F-14 a hard time. But I really do think its a gorgeous Aircraft. Just not as gorgeous as the Crusader or Phantom II.

I mean, you cant go wrong with any of these Jolly Rodgers.

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« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2007, 05:16:34 PM »
I agree the F-4 was a good looking plane. but the F8? That thing looks like a deformed large mouth bass. Its smurfy.
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« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2007, 05:22:30 PM »
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only designated fighter with variable wing?

F-111.  B1.   Interestingly it was the failure of the F-111 for the Navy (too heavy IIRC) that lead to the F-14...
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« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2007, 05:26:03 PM »
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I agree the F-4 was a good looking plane. but the F8? That thing looks like a deformed large mouth bass. Its smurfy.

Agreed,  I always liked the F-4,  on the other had I never really liked the F8 but I always favored its smaller cousin...

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« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2007, 05:30:17 PM »
The F-14 usually carried a price of over 600 perkies and would lose an engine after a couple pings from a HOing HurriII.
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« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2007, 06:19:21 PM »
F-8, the last gunfighter.
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« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2007, 06:53:56 PM »
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only designated fighter with variable wing?


The MiG-23 was actually the first variable geometry fighter in service. F-111 arguably being a bomber.
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« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2007, 07:08:23 PM »
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All are ground due to no spare parts. Thats why all the F-14 parts are guarded or being destroyed because a group was caught trying to smuggle parts to Iran.


Wrong.

The iranians managed to keep the F-14 flying even in the first phase of the Iran-Iraq-War, when the spare part delivery was non-existent.

In the 8 year war between Iran and Iraq the US-trained iranian pilots shot down 152 iraqi planes and helicopters. 18 of these kills were not confirmed.

The first kill was done  by an IRIAF-F-14 at September 10th 1980, when an iranian F-14 of the 81TFS/TFB.8 shot down an iraqi MiG21.

On October 29th 1980 an US-AWACS plane monitored the kill of a heavy iraqi Tupolev Tu-22 Blinder bomber by an iranian F-14 of TFB8.

The last kill of an iraqui plane by an iranian F-14 was done at June 14th 1988 when a Tomcat of 81TFS/TFB.8 shot down an iraqi Mirage F.1EQ.

The F-14 pilot with the most air-to-air kills was the iranian Major Jalal Zandi of TFB.8 (later TFB.6) of IRIAF with 9 kills according US-analysis and 12 kills claimed by Iran.

Iran lost during the war 8 F-14 by iraqi kills and other because of accidents, attritions and sadly also 2 by friendly fire.

So today only 60 od the 79 delivered F-14 remained in the IRIAF - most of them still flying.

The old desert camouflage (which looked IMHO cooler than the new one today) was replaced with this one:

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« Reply #72 on: October 24, 2007, 07:51:13 PM »
Don't put it past the Iranian's to reverse engineer the F-14. They have done it with the Bell 206, UH-1 and AH-1 series of helicopters. These helicopters look, sound and work just like their Bell counter parts, but they are not.

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« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2007, 08:07:02 PM »
I don't have access to U.S. Navy journals, so I can't get a primary source document for Aim-54 propellant cracks.  But there are enough first and second hand accounts, along with lesser sources that keep mentioning propellant cracks.

I'll tell you this though.  Its not a simple matter to just repack 500 two-stage rocket motors for the Aim-54C.  Especially not in the days of the military budget crackdown.
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« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2007, 08:38:01 PM »
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All are ground due to no spare parts. Thats why all the F-14 parts are guarded or being destroyed because a group was caught trying to smuggle parts to Iran.


Not sure if this is true.  They were still flying as of about 2 years ago.  I haven't looked recently and have no access right now, but it wouldn't suprise me if they're still flying occasionally.
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