Not helping the stereotype...

[expat]

''The American and the British versions of the language are both bastardized forms of the mother tongue.''
That is very true  i doubt someone like Shakespeare would undersrtand a lot of what is spoken  in the  UK these days  nor would one of the first settlers to the US understand much either .

[expat]

Holden  ..

Sir Winston Churchill


We Shall Fight them on the beaches (extract)

June 4th 1940

"... I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone.

At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation.

The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

Dont think the new world bit meant  the US , as he is on about the Empire?
Is that what you were getting at ???

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by expat
Holden  ..

Sir Winston Churchill

 

Really?

Dont think the new world bit meant  the US , as he is on about the Empire?
Is that what you were getting at ???

Columbus discovered the New World. (the western hemisphere)

China, India, Africa, all were known to Europe (the Old World)

So if you are correct, empire colonies or maybe independant countries in the western hemisphere would be that to which he was referring.  Let's see...  "With all it's power and might".... what country in the new world.... Br. Honduras? no...  maybe Canada? no they were already in the fight.  

What New World country's leader did Winnie cross the pond to visit with in August 1941?

[BiGBMAW]

he had a 3.5 gpa... at FSU

he was screwing with the reporters..he is know for many many jokes on them

[1K3]

English in America should be simplified. There's too much archaic and pretentious words; such word should no longer be used.  Simplified English should help benefit people whose primary language is not English.  Also, spelling should be simplified:aok

[rpm]

Originally posted by BiGBMAW
he had a 3.5 gpa... at FSU

he was screwing with the reporters..he is know for many many jokes on them

A football player with a 3.5 gpa at a football school. Did he get a degree in Basket Weaving or Pottery?

[Mark Luper]

Originally posted by 1K3
English in America should be simplified. There's too much archaic and pretentious words; such word should no longer be used.  Simplified English should help benefit people whose primary language is not English.  Also, spelling should be simplified:aok

Excellent idea! Bring everything down to the lowest common denominator. Why should anyone have to put forth an effort?!?



Mark

[AquaShrimp]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Because by beating that country in 2 wars, and saving it in 2 more, we've taken the rights to use "English" how we see fit.

Exactly correct.

[expat]

forgive my ignorance , what was the second war ?

[rpm]

The War of 1812

[expat]

Main article: Results of the War of 1812
This was a war in which no territory was lost nor gained by either side. None of the points of contention were addressed by the Treaty of Ghent, yet it was a war that changed much between the United States of America and Great Britain. The Treaty of Ghent established the status quo ante bellum; that is, there were no territorial changes made by either side. The issue of impressment was made moot when the Royal Navy stopped impressment after the defeat of Napoleon.

Excepting occasional border disputes and the circumstances of the American Civil War, relations between the United States and Britain remained generally peaceful for the rest of the nineteenth century, and the two countries became close allies in the twentieth century. Border adjustments between the United States and British North America were made in the Treaty of 1818. (A border dispute along the Maine-New Brunswick border was settled by the 1842 Webster-Ashburton Treaty after the bloodless Aroostook War, and the border in the Oregon Territory was settled by the 1846 Oregon Treaty.)

It was a bloody nose for both sides...


sounds like a draw to me

[straffo]

Originally posted by expat
''The American and the British versions of the language are both bastardized forms of the mother tongue.''
That is very true  i doubt someone like Shakespeare would undersrtand a lot of what is spoken  in the  UK these days  nor would one of the first settlers to the US understand much either .

don't forget English is just a batardized form of French

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by straffo
don't forget English is just a batardized form of French

William the Conquerer, a Norman (Vikings who settled in north coastal France) spoke French and French was the language of the English aristocracy for 300 years, until Richard 2.  

But the peasant class Anglo Saxons still spoke English. English is Germanic in origin, the Anglos and the Saxons being Germanic tribes settled in the British Isles.

un;)

[expat]

The English language belongs to the western sub-branch of the Germanic branch of the Indo-European family of languages.

The question as to which is the nearest living relative of English is a matter of discussion. Apart from such English-lexified creole languages such as Tok Pisin, Scots (spoken primarily in Scotland and parts of Northern Ireland) is not a Gaelic language, but is part of the English family of languages: both Scots and modern English are descended from Old English, also known as Anglo-Saxon. The closest relative to English after Scots is Frisian, which is spoken in the Northern Netherlands and Northwest Germany. Other less closely related living West Germanic languages include German, Low Saxon, Dutch, and Afrikaans. The North Germanic languages of Scandinavia are less closely related to English than the West Germanic languages.

Many French words are also intelligible to an English speaker (though pronunciations are often quite different) because English absorbed a large vocabulary from Norman and French, via Anglo-Norman after the Norman Conquest and directly from French in subsequent centuries. As a result, a large portion of English vocabulary is derived from French, with some minor spelling differences (word endings, use of old French spellings, etc.), as well as occasional divergences in meaning, in so-called "faux amis", or false friends.

That lot was from Wikpedia......
A bastardized version of germanic and french languages then  

[expat]

And to think of all that wasted time in secondary school learning French !!!