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Simaril · « **Reply #105 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:20:43 PM »

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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
....I dont see any of u in here doing your duty to protect your country.....

Your arrogance is astounding. Do you really think that you are the only one in the game who serves, or has served? Do you really think that you are more honorable and better than everyone else in here because you are on active duty (apparently as a RAMF, but regardless on duty). Off the top of my head, inside 20 seconds, I can think of 6 AHers I know personally -- not as a name on a screen -- that have served.

And why does your ignorant arrogance infuriate me so much? Well, next weekend I'm having dinner with an AH player who not only served, but who nearly died in Iraq from an IED made from 2x240mm mortar shells. That little number went off right next to his stationary Humvee, sending a fragment millimeters in front of his neck and another fragment penetrating the helmet itself. He ended up with a multiple skull fractures, a subdural hematoma (a pool of blood right next to his brain), and a closed head traumatic brain injury that has left him unable to work for over a year. The driver braking a millisecond sooner than he did, a fragment flying a couple millimeters either way, an un-uparmored hummer, poor quality control on the helmet, ANYTHING...would have left Larry dead and Emily a widow.

Speaking of education, did I mention he is a doctor, with postgraduate specialty training? That his entire career was placed on the line when he served in the field? That he still hasn't been able to see a single patient in his year off work?

And you act like you're the only one here who deserves military respect?

Meanwhile, you're prideful and arrogant about being a psy ops soldier. You talk as if civilians are serving you, not the other way around! In contrast, the warriors I know are far more likely to be quiet and respectful with the public they SERVE, no matter how the civilians embarrass themselves.

So, even ignoring your...ummm.... controversial BBS behavior, sir, you have completely proven that you are a tard, no matter what clothing you wear to work.

SkyRock · « **Reply #106 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:26:01 PM »

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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Well first of all these people are not my Peers, they are simply people I play a GAME with.

This proves my point. This is just a game, it is not my fault if others take it seriously.

As far as Military goes, yes, as far as Education goes, well lets see, I have enouph that I do PSYCH OPS for the military, and I have Top Secret Security clearence.

Efing with peoples minds is my job. Picking on my grammer is just your way out of the discussion at hand, and trying to make yourself look superior.

As far as your Remark on the Military u Sir should be ashamed of yourself.

I dont see any of u in here doing your duty to protect your country, all u want to do is talk about what others did back in WW2 and PLAY it out, then act like your god all mighty.

Theres men half your age going and doing things they dont belive in nor want to do, but they do it because their country askes it of them.

For u to sit here behind a computer screen and make a idotic remark like that, just because u want to prove your worthyness over me???

U should be ashamed of yourself and apologize not to me, but this entire board for making a comment of such degrading manner towards our american military.

Dont blame whats going on on them, blame it on people like BUSH, whome u seem to favor alot seeying as out u sit behind safe doors doing the talking and none of the action.

LMAO! Voss without spellcheck!!!!!

SteveBailey · « **Reply #107 on:** November 02, 2007, 06:47:36 PM »

Simaril, thanks for running with that. I knew our active duty/recently active duty folks wouldn't let that go by.

Agent360 · « **Reply #108 on:** November 02, 2007, 07:53:23 PM »

Note - I wrote this in first, second and third person....LOL. The post is not directed at anyone. Its just my two cents worth. I can't spell either.

Theres been a lot of talk about avoiding the ho by various maneuvers leading into the merge. These are all valid and some work some don't

I find it most rewarding to engage from a disadvantage and then out fly the opponent to his six and shoot him there. However this is not always possible due to multiple cons. So one must create shots as soon as possible.

Now in this process I will be totally messing up the other guys angles. As most of you know I fly the 109k4. This is not a "turny plane". This is done by delicately manipulating the angels by using the other guys instinct to "yank and bank" into my six. And most time I want you to get on my six but thts another story.

Which leads us to the HO question.

When I have gained and angle....even if it is only 2 or 3 degrees and I fire as you go by this IS NOT A HO. I am looking for that one mistake to be made. If my plane comes around on top of yours AND I can point my nose at you as you go by but YOU CAN NOT then too bad....you made a mistake and now your dead.

I get 200 "ho tard" sometimes from this kind of shot. I dont see how its a ho if you get shot from your prop to your tale right across your canopy. It might have been very close to a ho but it is not a ho.

I mostly stall fight. This means I may be going quite slow compared to the enemys speed. It is quite easy for me to simply rudder my nose and shoot off a wing as I go by. Is this a ho??? I don't think so. It means you made another mistake.

I see a con. Hi or low doesnt matter. I begin my move. We see each other and now the fights on. IF you shoot as we pass that is a Ho no matter what angle. However, after you miss and I get angles on you because you decided to go for guns (or put another way make a mistake) and I end up passing by you with my nose pointed at your wing, tail, canopy or any part of your plane and therfore blow you apart....this is not a ho.

Anytime you go for guns on a target you are giving up angles. This means I can turn while you can not because you must hold the guns solution while I am turning. IF you miss then you have made your first mistake.

When in a slow and low stall fight. The kind I try to draw all you guys into and we begin turning somebody is going to be on top and someone on the bottom. If this continues at some point I or them will have an angle in which a shot can be made. Some players will consider "ANY" angle less than like 20 deg is a ho. Well this is just poopoo. If it is possible for me to delicately rudder my nose around and down or up enough to shoot any part of your plane this is not a ho.

The fact you can't get your nose up or down in time but I can does not constitute a ho.

On the merge we can both get our nose on for a shot. This IS a ho shot.

If after the merge we begin turning and I out turn you therfore getting a guns solution before you can and you get shot this is not a ho even if you get right it in the face....especially if you dont have a guns solution. IF this happens you should have been paying attention and made a counter move BEFORE you got shot.

As for my style of play. You can EXPECT me to NOT fire on the first merge pass. After that all bets are off. Here you CAN EXPECT me shoot you at any and every oppurtunity.

In the DA rules are diff. Here it is about pilot vs pilot. This is where you want to avoid most front quarter shots especially of they are really close.
This is an oppurtunity to practice your moves...to out think your opponent. You want to get a good deflection or pure six shot. This is about "out flying your opponent" not getting the kill.

In the MA... well its war. Here any mistake will be capitalized upon.

SEraider · « **Reply #109 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:38:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Agent360
Note - I wrote this in first, second and third person....LOL. The post is not directed at anyone. Its just my two cents worth. I can't spell either.

Theres been a lot of talk about avoiding the ho by various maneuvers leading into the merge. These are all valid and some work some don't

I find it most rewarding to engage from a disadvantage and then out fly the opponent to his six and shoot him there. However this is not always possible due to multiple cons. So one must create shots as soon as possible.

Now in this process I will be totally messing up the other guys angles. As most of you know I fly the 109k4. This is not a "turny plane". This is done by delicately manipulating the angels by using the other guys instinct to "yank and bank" into my six. And most time I want you to get on my six but thts another story.

Which leads us to the HO question.

When I have gained and angle....even if it is only 2 or 3 degrees and I fire as you go by this IS NOT A HO. I am looking for that one mistake to be made. If my plane comes around on top of yours AND I can point my nose at you as you go by but YOU CAN NOT then too bad....you made a mistake and now your dead.

I get 200 "ho tard" sometimes from this kind of shot. I dont see how its a ho if you get shot from your prop to your tale right across your canopy. It might have been very close to a ho but it is not a ho.

I mostly stall fight. This means I may be going quite slow compared to the enemys speed. It is quite easy for me to simply rudder my nose and shoot off a wing as I go by. Is this a ho??? I don't think so. It means you made another mistake.

I see a con. Hi or low doesnt matter. I begin my move. We see each other and now the fights on. IF you shoot as we pass that is a Ho no matter what angle. However, after you miss and I get angles on you because you decided to go for guns (or put another way make a mistake) and I end up passing by you with my nose pointed at your wing, tail, canopy or any part of your plane and therfore blow you apart....this is not a ho.

Anytime you go for guns on a target you are giving up angles. This means I can turn while you can not because you must hold the guns solution while I am turning. IF you miss then you have made your first mistake.

When in a slow and low stall fight. The kind I try to draw all you guys into and we begin turning somebody is going to be on top and someone on the bottom. If this continues at some point I or them will have an angle in which a shot can be made. Some players will consider "ANY" angle less than like 20 deg is a ho. Well this is just poopoo. If it is possible for me to delicately rudder my nose around and down or up enough to shoot any part of your plane this is not a ho.

The fact you can't get your nose up or down in time but I can does not constitute a ho.

On the merge we can both get our nose on for a shot. This IS a ho shot.

If after the merge we begin turning and I out turn you therfore getting a guns solution before you can and you get shot this is not a ho even if you get right it in the face....especially if you dont have a guns solution. IF this happens you should have been paying attention and made a counter move BEFORE you got shot.

As for my style of play. You can EXPECT me to NOT fire on the first merge pass. After that all bets are off. Here you CAN EXPECT me shoot you at any and every oppurtunity.

In the DA rules are diff. Here it is about pilot vs pilot. This is where you want to avoid most front quarter shots especially of they are really close.
This is an oppurtunity to practice your moves...to out think your opponent. You want to get a good deflection or pure six shot. This is about "out flying your opponent" not getting the kill.

In the MA... well its war. Here any mistake will be capitalized upon.

Who is the publisher of this article?

Kidding aside, this is pretty insightful stuff

WaRLoCkL · « **Reply #110 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:41:46 PM »

I never said I wasnt the only one who served on this forum. But its certain few in there I am directing that toward, and they still need to have their since of superiority so they call me a liar about my own job.

They probly dont even know what psych ops consits of, nore do they know what the top secret security clearence deals with.

Sadly they choose to balive that I make this up because if it were to be true it would probly hurt their superiority EGO.

What I find funny is pretty much any real combat pilot that plays this game, does not come on here and make fun of others nore tell people how they should fly.

U certain few remind me of that guy that plays it safe by talking smack behind his freinds but when it comes to the real thing u have no clue what to do.

Maybe u should try the military yourself, it might teach u a few things like RESPECT.

The nicest man I know in this game is VILKAS he is a 78 year old war vet. I got more admiration for that man than any of u, and what is so sad is I have had to defenind him by the likes of u idiots who whine about the HO, RAM, because his fllying skills are not TOP NOTCH.

Befor u start opening your big mouths think about who might be behind that name u just sent that P.M. or that idiot rant over 200 to.

Its a disgrace for someone like SKYROCK who had children to say the things he says to other children that play this game, of coarse his only concern is how he can have his HONERABLE fight.

That is the problem with u TARDS, u try to take the fun out of everything. This is a game and u should treat it that way. Maybe u have been playing to long to have fun anymore so thats why u come in here and say the things u say, if thats the case, maybe u should find a new game to play since this one has so many problems like HOING, RAMMING, VULCHING, SQUEKERS. Or better yet go design your own game that dosnt allow any of that. U might actually be happy for once.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #111 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:46:46 PM »

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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Or better yet go design your own game that dosnt allow any of that. U might actually be happy for once.

I thought you and VOSS were doing just that inbetween flying F-16s for the CIA.

ack-ack

shamroc · « **Reply #112 on:** November 02, 2007, 10:55:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
YDo you really think that you are more honorable and better than everyone else in here because you are on active duty (apparently as a RAMF, but regardless on duty).

Sorry Simaril, not to change the subject or anything, but what's a "RAMF" ?

I know REMF very well (Rear Echelon Mother F*****) - in fact I was one during my stint with the Canadian Airforce some 14 years ago (where I flew a desk, and could organize files like nobody's business!)

Shamroc

toonces3 · « **Reply #113 on:** November 03, 2007, 03:46:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Agent360

Which leads us to the HO question.

When I have gained and angle....even if it is only 2 or 3 degrees and I fire as you go by this IS NOT A HO. I am looking for that one mistake to be made. If my plane comes around on top of yours AND I can point my nose at you as you go by but YOU CAN NOT then too bad....you made a mistake and now your dead.

And so on....

See, this is my problem with the 'HO'.

Here's a situation I see pretty much every night.

I see a con co-alt. He sees me. We turn into each other. As we close, nose to nose, we are both faced with a choice. We can press the merge nose to nose, as close as possible to avoid giving up an advantage to the other- relying on the other not to shoot...or we can maneuver such that we stay out of the gun envelope, but still try to retain an advantage.

In fact, I even saw this in the AvA tonite, against someone that I'm sure would say "I DIDN'T HO!"

In that situation, I would typically maneuver a bit out of plane to keep us from passing nose on, and to let you know I wasn't going to shoot. Easily 95% of the time, the other guy takes a shot and I'm sure is telling himself "I didn't HO him, I took a front quarter shot because he wasn't right on my nose."

Do you see my point? When two cons go nose on, any maneuver by one off of nose on opens up the HOLY front quarter shot. But, you know, we all know what is REALLY a front quarter maneuvering shot, and what is taking a pot shot at a maneuvering con on the merge.

Almost every con I have ever passed on a merge had guns shooting. For as much as we all complain about the HO, it happens almost every fight.

When I DON'T get HO'd, it's cause to ~~, regardless of outcome. The rest is just BS.~~

Simaril · « **Reply #114 on:** November 03, 2007, 09:09:22 AM »

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Originally posted by shamroc
Sorry Simaril, not to change the subject or anything, but what's a "RAMF" ?

I know REMF very well (Rear Echelon Mother F*****) - in fact I was one during my stint with the Canadian Airforce some 14 years ago (where I flew a desk, and could organize files like nobody's business!)

Shamroc

Yeah...same thing. I heard it as Rear Area.

WaRLoCkL · « **Reply #115 on:** November 03, 2007, 09:49:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I thought you and VOSS were doing just that inbetween flying F-16s for the CIA.

ack-ack

now u are really starting to show your ignorance

BaldEagl · « **Reply #116 on:** November 03, 2007, 10:32:55 AM »

I love you guys. Let's take all the "guilt" off the HOer.

Either the other guy stayed in it (both straight on) so it was a HO by both of you. Nothing to feel guilty about or...

The other guy tryed to avoid the HO so it was a high deflection front quarter shot. Nothing to feel guilty about.

So there you go. Eveyone should HO away with no feelings of guilt and those who whine about it should just shut up because either they did it to or it wasn't a HO.

CAP1 · « **Reply #117 on:** November 03, 2007, 10:58:15 AM »

hhmm...funny you should say that......in lwblue last night, i had a p47 running..at first from me and a squaddie.....my squaddie broke off the chase, and a pony dove in, and was slowly making ground on the guy, so i hung around so as to give him backup. well..the 47 turned(4K out), so i tried to set up a nice lead turn, saw he had turned straight at me...so i adjusted...he turned again, so i adjusted again only to have him AGAIN turn for the ho......so i waited and tried the rudder slip at the last minute to avoid, hoping to be able to turn onto his six(there wasn't enough alt to dive under him).well......he succesfully HO'd me, so i kinda let him know what i thought......and his reaction? "it takes two to ho" i pretty much thought of this thread when i saw that........kinda agitating since htat was my second time in the game in 2 and a half months......oo well..guess some things never change.

CAP1 · « **Reply #118 on:** November 03, 2007, 11:09:34 AM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I love you guys. Let's take all the "guilt" off the HOer.

Either the other guy stayed in it (both straight on) so it was a HO by both of you. Nothing to feel guilty about or...

The other guy tryed to avoid the HO so it was a high deflection front quarter shot. Nothing to feel guilty about.

So there you go. Eveyone should HO away with no feelings of guilt and those who whine about it should just shut up because either they did it to or it wasn't a HO.

good point........i'm starting to think it's gonna be time to learn the fw, or something with a lot of bigger guns than i normally fly......and HO the crap outta everyone i come across for awhile:rofl

let the ho'in dweebs see the other side of it for a bit..........

Simaril · « **Reply #119 on:** November 03, 2007, 11:26:13 AM »

Walock, gotta admit I'm a little confused. Today on country channel you were saying that you wouldn't be able to take your full PC rig with you to basic. I thought basic came BEFORE top security clearance?

Have to admit, I couldn't get the details because as soon as I asked you about it on country, you clammed up really tight.