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Offline Motherland

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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2007, 06:16:39 PM »
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C-47 never shot down any planes either.

Combat is combat.  Meteors saw cambat, that is beyond question.  So far as I know, AH does not have an air-to-air combat lithmus test, just a combat lithmus test, series production lithmus test and a squadron service lithmus test.  Meteor Mk III passes all of them.  One could argue fairly effectively that the Ta152 fails the squadron service test.

Whether they should be added to AH is another question entirely, as in, do we need more jets, really?


True, the C-47 never saw combat. BUT, it was the allied transport workhorse. Quite possibly one of the most important aircraft of the war. It supported the liberation of Europe. It played an essential role in the extermination of the Third Reich.

Whereas, the Meteor destroyed a couple unmanned planes and some rockets that may have never hit anything in the first place.

Not a very fair comparison, Id say.

Though, Id have to agree with you on one essential point: do we NEED anymore jets? No. No Meteor, no Volksjaeger, no P80, no obscure Russian jet. We need a Ju-52 and a Ju-87G before we get any of that.
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2007, 07:13:51 PM »
Meteors did combat sweeps and ground strikes over occupied Europe in 1945.  Don't downplay the danger in that, ground attacks were the most dangerous jobs Allied fighters did.  For example, look at Closterman's leading a Tempest squad on an attack that only he and one other Tempest made it out the other side.

As I said, that the Meteor saw combat in WWII is beyond dispute.

Whether we need another jet fighter in AH is not beyond dispute.

Personally, I don't think we do need another.
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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2007, 02:13:24 AM »
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True, the C-47 never saw combat.



You don't call flying through murderous acks to drop paratroopers behind enemy lines before the beach landings of D-Day combat?


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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2007, 01:19:01 PM »
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You don't call flying through murderous acks to drop paratroopers behind enemy lines before the beach landings of D-Day combat?


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True. I had thought about that. It depends on your definition of 'seeing combat'. If 'seeing combat' is being in a dangerous situation, with enemy combatants firing upon you, etc. etc., then yes, it did. But what I was getting more at (to touch more upon new fighters/other additions) was engaging the enemy to kill him, not really dropping other people off to fight the enemy.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2007, 01:51:29 PM »
Were you in a german infantryman's boots, you wouldn't consider a C47 dropping combat troops on their way to gut you as an act of war?
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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2007, 01:52:43 PM »
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Were you in a german infantryman's boots, you wouldn't consider a C47 dropping combat troops on their way to gut you as an act of war?

Did I ever say it wasnt an act of war? I said it wasnt actively engaging in combat.
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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2007, 05:43:27 PM »
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Why do we only have 2 jets and 1 rocket fighter? And their both german...Not That I mind Germans but still we need more jets. And they did use the Sturmvogel A-2 and the He-162 in the last days.




LOL we have 2 jets and 1 rocket and all 3 are german 2+1=3.
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2007, 06:25:40 PM »
You don't think dropping the most lethal ordnance in the war is active engagement in the war?
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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2007, 07:27:37 PM »
Was the meteor that great of an upgrade anyways? IIRC it had limited spped due to control surface problems. The book I have says it had a top speed of 415mph at 10,000ft. That is for the mk.III built in 1945. We have many prop planes that are faster.
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2007, 08:26:53 PM »
the c 47 did get shot at and had a zero unload into it and then crash into it there is a photo of it it was a lot more risiliant than it is in this game which one or two round from a canons will kill it i would like to put the photo in the picture but i cant scan it and i dont get how to put photos in the forums
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« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2007, 09:20:41 PM »
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Was the meteor that great of an upgrade anyways? IIRC it had limited spped due to control surface problems. The book I have says it had a top speed of 415mph at 10,000ft. That is for the mk.III built in 1945. We have many prop planes that are faster.

Sounds like the Mk I.   The Mk III did 490mph.  The post war Mk IV was the fastest aircraft in the world when it was introduced at over 600mph.
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« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2007, 11:18:02 PM »
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True. I had thought about that. It depends on your definition of 'seeing combat'. If 'seeing combat' is being in a dangerous situation, with enemy combatants firing upon you, etc. etc., then yes, it did. But what I was getting more at (to touch more upon new fighters/other additions) was engaging the enemy to kill him, not really dropping other people off to fight the enemy.


Funny I was just thinking about how the LAST DOGFIGHT in WWII Europe was between a Piper Cub (Grasshopper) and a Storch (Piper Cup victory via pistol for the win)

Just cracks me up that the LAST ONE was this matchup - like it's almost comical...  

By the "they must have seen air-to-air combat" criterion, we should have these before a Meteor :)

Do we really need more jets ?  The real question should be "do we really need ANY more planes".  In reality - we don't.  We have a pretty complete planeset that covers all the bases - anything else is really just icing on the cake.  

Comes down to personal preference.

I'd like to see a Meteor... Hell I'd like to see  A LOT of planes...  But in the Jets Category, I'd like to see a Meteor next.

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« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2007, 11:52:43 PM »
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Whereas, the Meteor destroyed a couple unmanned planes and some rockets that may have never hit anything in the first place.
 


For the record - 46 "unmanned planes" and 14 V1's (which were pulse jet and not rocket powered).

The Meteor also went on to serve until the 1970s.

Probably one of the most significant, yet forgotten, fighters of all time.

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2007, 12:07:21 AM »
Shamroc,

We have massive gaps in the Russian and Japanese sets still.
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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2007, 12:13:58 AM »
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Shamroc,

We have massive gaps in the Russian and Japanese sets still.


I agree.

My point was that we have a good diversity of energy and turn fighters.  We're not lacking in anything is what I really mean.

Shamroc
« Last Edit: November 26, 2007, 12:18:26 AM by shamroc »
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