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« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2007, 12:33:56 PM »
I don't know if someone has already mentioned this but, I was in Wisconsin and was able to buy brass knuckles because they are sold as a belt buckle, they just put a tiny post on it and its a belt buckle, so if his brass knuckles were sold this way to him he can claim that it's a belt buckle and thus legal.
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« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2007, 01:00:08 PM »
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I don't know if someone has already mentioned this but, I was in Wisconsin and was able to buy brass knuckles because they are sold as a belt buckle, they just put a tiny post on it and its a belt buckle, so if his brass knuckles were sold this way to him he can claim that it's a belt buckle and thus legal.

I'll have to ask him next time, He did say something about finding them in a clothing store

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« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2007, 10:47:33 PM »
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It really is...especially seeing the justification here as being "it's considered a deadly weapon".

Ban teh knuckles!  

:rolleyes:

Actually, in most countries, the possession, let alone use, of brass knuckles is illegal.

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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2007, 06:11:53 AM »
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Actually, in most countries, the possession, let alone use, of brass knuckles is illegal.


Correct.  Same applies to guns.  You seem fine with brass knuckles being illegal but not guns.

Thus the irony (and rolleyeyes).
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« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2007, 07:11:41 AM »
brass knuckles are for strong arm types, as is a baton, a blackjack etc.  a firearm is precisely what one needs to keep thugs who would use those types of bludgeoning weapons at a distance.  I disagree with brass knuckles being made illegal.  I can see the irony as well as the apparent whimsey demonstrated by such laws but that is the nature of government.

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« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2007, 07:41:59 AM »
H.B. No. 1815
 
 
 
     
AN ACT
     relating to the prosecution of certain offenses that involve
     carrying weapons on a person's property or in a person's vehicle.
            BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
            SECTION 1.  Section 46.02, Penal Code, is amended by
     amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsections (a-1) and (a-2) to
     read as follows:
            (a)  A person commits an offense if the person [he]
     intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or
     her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
                  (1)  on the person's own premises or premises under the
     person's control; or
                  (2)  inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle
     that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
            (a-1)  A person commits an offense if the person
     intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or
     her person a handgun in a motor vehicle that is owned by the person
     or under the person's control at any time in which:
                  (1)  the handgun is in plain view; or
                  (2)  the person is:
                        (A)  engaged in criminal activity, other than a
     Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance
     regulating traffic;
                        (B)  prohibited by law from possessing a firearm;
     or
                        (C)  a member of a criminal street gang, as
     defined by Section 71.01.
            (a-2)  For purposes of this section, "premises" includes
     real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as
     living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or
     permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor
     vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a
     vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to
     be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer,
     camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with
     living quarters.
            SECTION 2.  Section 46.15(b), Penal Code, as amended by
     Chapters 1221 and 1261, Acts of the 75th Legislature, Regular
     Session, 1997, is reenacted and amended to read as follows:
            (b)  Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
                  (1)  is in the actual discharge of official duties as a
     member of the armed forces or state military forces as defined by
     Section 431.001, Government Code, or as a guard employed by a penal
     institution;
                  (2)  [is on the person's own premises or premises under
     the person's control unless the person is an employee or agent of
     the owner of the premises and the person's primary responsibility
     is to act in the capacity of a security guard to protect persons or
     property, in which event the person must comply with Subdivision
     (5);
                  [(3)]  is traveling;
                  (3) [(4)]  is engaging in lawful hunting, fishing, or
     other sporting activity on the immediate premises where the
     activity is conducted, or is en route between the premises and the
     actor's residence or motor vehicle, if the weapon is a type commonly
     used in the activity;
                  (4) [(5)]  holds a security officer commission issued
     by the Texas [Board of Private Investigators and] Private Security
     Board [Agencies], if:
                        (A)  the person is engaged in the performance of
     the person's duties as a security officer or traveling to and from
     the person's place of assignment;
                        (B)  the person is wearing a distinctive uniform;
     and
                        (C)  the weapon is in plain view;
                  (5) [(6)]  is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid
     license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code
     [Article 4413(29ee), Revised Statutes], to carry a concealed
     handgun of the same category as the handgun the person is carrying;
                  (6) [(7)]  holds a security officer commission and a
     personal protection officer authorization issued by the Texas
     [Board of Private Investigators and] Private Security Board
     [Agencies] and [who] is providing personal protection under Chapter
     1702, Occupations Code [the Private Investigators and Private
     Security Agencies Act (Article 4413(29bb), Vernon's Texas Civil
     Statutes)]; or
                  (7) [(8)]  holds an alcoholic beverage permit or
     license or is an employee of a holder of an alcoholic beverage
     permit or license if the person is supervising the operation of the
     permitted or licensed premises.
            SECTION 3.  The following provisions are repealed:
                  (1)  Section 46.15(h), Penal Code; and
                  (2)  Section 46.15(i), Penal Code, as added by Chapter
     288, Acts of the 79th Legislature, Regular Session, 2005.
            SECTION 4.  The change in law made by this Act applies only
     to an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act.
     An offense committed before the effective date of this Act is
     governed by the law in effect when the offense was committed, and
     the former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For
     purposes of this section, an offense was committed before the
     effective date of this Act if any element of the offense was
     committed before that date.
            SECTION 5.  This Act takes effect September 1, 2007.
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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2007, 07:46:19 AM »
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He just still "that drunk". :rofl
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« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2007, 07:52:38 AM »
This was put in place on September 1 2007 it states (a) A person commits an offense if the person
intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or
her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person.

HB 1815 made it legal to carry a illegal (  handgun,knife or ((CLUB)) try to see if you can get the brass knuckles seen as a club then it would set the young man free.
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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2007, 08:36:18 AM »
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Correct.  Same applies to guns.  You seem fine with brass knuckles being illegal but not guns.

Thus the irony (and rolleyeyes).

One is covered by an amendment in our constitution and is knitted into the very fabric of what our country stands for. The other is simply what thugs use to rip your lips up.  I'm not quite sure why you think everything is a black and white issue.

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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2007, 09:06:52 AM »
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One is covered by an amendment in our constitution and is knitted into the very fabric of what our country stands for. The other is simply what thugs use to rip your lips up.  I'm not quite sure why you think everything is a black and white issue.
ripsnort, getting hit with knuckledusters by someone who knows what he is doing will shatter bone and can kill a person by splitting open his skull.  they are indeed lethal weapons as the injuries are more damaging than merely soft tissue damage.

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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2007, 11:04:20 AM »
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This was put in place on September 1 2007 it states (a) A person commits an offense if the person
intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or
her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person.

HB 1815 made it legal to carry a illegal (  handgun,knife or ((CLUB)) try to see if you can get the brass knuckles seen as a club then it would set the young man free.


He wasn't carrying it on his person, he was traveling and it was in his vehicle out of plain sight -> according to the law text displayed there was no crime.
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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2007, 02:03:45 PM »
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He wasn't carrying it on his person, he was traveling and it was in his vehicle out of plain sight -> according to the law text displayed there was no crime.
"on or about his/her person".  If the vehicle is registered in his name, then "on or about his/her person" covers that.  A better term would be "in possession". Anything in your vehicle is considered "in possession" or "on or about his/her person".

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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2007, 02:06:14 PM »
lawyer talk.

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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2007, 07:43:49 PM »
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"on or about his/her person".  If the vehicle is registered in his name, then "on or about his/her person" covers that.  A better term would be "in possession". Anything in your vehicle is considered "in possession" or "on or about his/her person".


Yup, the DA / city atty will argue he was the sole occupant and had "dominion and control", which is lawyer speak for within proximity and readily available.

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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2007, 08:14:14 PM »
Gee I wonder what they would do to me. I carry 2 cans of military/police grade pepper spray, an Asp Baton, and a gut hook hunting knife with a six inch blade in my truck at all times. I have a CCW and a rigid holster for my pistol mounted under the dash. If I'm in my truck the pistol goes there because it's easier to get to. Oh I also have a camping axe I keep under the back seat.

Then again I wouldn't let them search my truck until a senior officer showed up with a valid search warrant in his hand and I had a copy in my hand.
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