Submarine Fun?!

[Wes14]

.....And i though i was the dumbest person on the BBS.

[Spikes]

Originally posted by Wes14
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[Wes14]

Originally posted by SpikesX
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i dunno spikes.. another mook might jump in and take that spot as soon as this one is gone.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by zoozoo
How bout submarines? People find that they suck with both planes and gv`s. Maybe something new for them to try =/. With all this open water just for one cv it seems like a waste to me. Enough getting killed by a plane with ords for your your gv. Cv`s wont be only targeted by bombers now and submarines can help sink them. and also 2 submarines added to a CV fleet for protection. Thets take this to the next level. This is the future of AH2 boys....

                    Can anyone name a CV in WW-ll that was sunk by a submarine? One that wasnt abandoned first?

                    Also in the war that AH is based on submarines, and I call them boats, were nonentities as far as CVBG defenders are concerned. They didn't have the speed, the detection technologies, or the weapons to deal with other submarines.

                   Its true the Japanese used subs as scouts for their battle groups. And did so rather stupidly because had they used them to raid maritime commerce they might have actually had an impact on the war. The truth is WW-ll subs were not very effective against capitol ships. They were at their best, as defined by Yank and German boats, when used against merchant ships in efforts to strangle a maritime dependant enemy. Further every nation basically ended the war with the same types of boats they started with, with some minor improvements. Truth is air power emerged as the King of WW-ll naval operations. Not boats.

              Yes there were the German Elektro-boats but they were basically a novelty and had no impact on the war. Nor to the best of knowledge did they ever sink anything.

             So if AH were to model submarines they would have to do so under WW-ll limitations. Which means they would be very small threats against CVBGs and no threat against each other.

           It was air power that truly threatened capitol ships in WW-ll. Not submarines. The only way to make submarines effective in AH, and worth spending time in, would be to model them as non-realistic boats that never existed in the actual war. And in my opinion that would cheapen the game and be disrespectful to the men and woman who sacrificed in WW-ll.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by WMLute
make sure to ask Zoo about the 17 kills he got in frame one of DGS.

Lol.. checked the logs, thought you were serious for a moment... he upped an LVT and an Il2  How were they even enabled?

[schlowy2]

"Can anyone name a CV in WW-ll that was sunk by a submarine? One that wasnt abandoned first?"

http://www.uboat.net/men/aces/warships.htm

[Hoffman]

A japanese sub shot up CV-16 during the war and reported her sunk...
Then they claimed she was sunk again by airplanes...  Then some torpedo planes tried to sink it again... and they once again said she was sunk.
Then some Kamikaze's tried and reported her sunk... how I don't know but they did.

Must have been lag.

[texastc316]

shinano

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/japan/japsh-s/shinano.htm

[Rich46yo]

Ok I forgot about the Brit CVs sunk in the early war, most of them in the Med. I still stand by my staement that WW-ll submarines were a far bigger threat to merchant shipping then they were to capitol ships. Anyway I wasnt making a definitive statement, more like asking a question.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by hitech 8-10-2004
Subs are somthing Ive always wanted to put in the game. My father is a WWII submariner.  USS Carbanaro

Basicly how they would work, is simalar to how convoys and gunners work. You wouldn't just be able to launch a sub then have to drive it for hours to it's destination. What would happen is a subs way points would be set. They would drive themslefs to where you wanted. Once on some one could take control of one of the subs.

Other things also need to be written for subs to be implemented namly sonar for surface ships and depth charges.


HiTech

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Can anyone name a CV in WW-ll that was sunk by a submarine? One that wasnt abandoned first?

                    Also in the war that AH is based on submarines, and I call them boats, were nonentities as far as CVBG defenders are concerned. They didn't have the speed, the detection technologies, or the weapons to deal with other submarines.

                   Its true the Japanese used subs as scouts for their battle groups. And did so rather stupidly because had they used them to raid maritime commerce they might have actually had an impact on the war. The truth is WW-ll subs were not very effective against capitol ships. They were at their best, as defined by Yank and German boats, when used against merchant ships in efforts to strangle a maritime dependant enemy. Further every nation basically ended the war with the same types of boats they started with, with some minor improvements. Truth is air power emerged as the King of WW-ll naval operations. Not boats.

              Yes there were the German Elektro-boats but they were basically a novelty and had no impact on the war. Nor to the best of knowledge did they ever sink anything.

             So if AH were to model submarines they would have to do so under WW-ll limitations. Which means they would be very small threats against CVBGs and no threat against each other.

           It was air power that truly threatened capitol ships in WW-ll. Not submarines. The only way to make submarines effective in AH, and worth spending time in, would be to model them as non-realistic boats that never existed in the actual war. And in my opinion that would cheapen the game and be disrespectful to the men and woman who sacrificed in WW-ll.

USS Wasp, before she ever launched a plane in battle in the Pacific.  Saratoga was put out of action by a sub, Hornet was torpedoed by a sub I believe.  Yorktown was finished off by a Sub.

That being said, this is Aces High not Aces of the Deep

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Guppy35
USS Wasp, before she ever launched a plane in battle in the Pacific.  Saratoga was put out of action by a sub, Hornet was torpedoed by a sub I believe.  Yorktown was finished off by a Sub.

That being said, this is Aces High not Aces of the Deep

                     I forgot about Wasp. But if I remember right our own ships put her down. But technically your correct. There were several Hornets in WW-ll and If I remember right the first one was sunk by aircraft delivered torpedoes. Yorktown, of course, doesn't count cause she was abandoned. Saratoga did suffer fairly minor damage from a boat launched torpedo. She wasnt out for long tho.

                 Im assuming any U-boat would be modeled German cause they are the ones who really wrote the book. So maybe a type VllC cause they were used the most. It had a surfaced speed of about 18 knots and a submerged speed of about 8 knots. You'd need a week to get the thing anywheres. The CVBGs probably wheel around at 30 knots. And then you'd have to remodel their escorts to hunt subs.

            The CVBGs are terrific additions to the game. The subs?? I think a waste of time. Thanks to all for refreshing my memories some.

[Scherf]

There was Ark Royal, sunk by U-81 in the Med.

Edit - There was also the IJN Shinano, sunk by Archerfish in 1945 while undertaking sea trials.

[SD67]

One possibly side effect I'd like to see is water you can sink in.
your plane goes in the drink, it sinks and you got seconds to bail or you die.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Murdr
Originally posted by hitech 8-10-2004
Subs are somthing Ive always wanted to put in the game. My father is a WWII submariner. USS Carbanaro

Basicly how they would work, is simalar to how convoys and gunners work. You wouldn't just be able to launch a sub then have to drive it for hours to it's destination. What would happen is a subs way points would be set. They would drive themslefs to where you wanted. Once on some one could take control of one of the subs.

Other things also need to be written for subs to be implemented namly sonar for surface ships and depth charges.


HiTech

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