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Offline Murdr

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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2007, 07:46:12 PM »
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For you to state that its a 109 problem with no mention of the fact that its a problem for any airplane, only shows bias.

You are incorrect.  In fact the link (that you eraced when reposting) in my quote mentions 4 aircraft types that are modled in AH.
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That said, why don't you read about compressibility while you're at it, learn how trim works, and also become familiar with the official 109 dive speed limitation.

Furthermore, I did not state it is a 109 problem.  I suggested you learn about the specifics of the 109 high speed handling characistics, so you can discuss it in an informed manner, rather than looking like an utter fool.

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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2007, 08:02:54 PM »
I've spent tours in Luftwaffe aircraft, the Fw190A-5 and Bf109G-14 are both on my favorites list.  The A6M5b, Ki-67 and Ki-84 are other Axis aircraft on my favorites list.  I found the Fw190D-9 very potent, but I will admit we didn't have the La-7 at that time.  That must make it harder on the Fw190D-9s.  La-7s are optimized for AH altitudes.  Ta152s, Spit XIVs and P-47Ns don't shine much in here as they are best at altitudes above were the fighting normally is.

As to the Mossie, good guns, but if you think it is easier to succeed in a Mossie than an Fw190 or Bf109 you are nuts.  Particularly because until this last patch it had major issues in regards to the flight and damage model.

And finally, I never said anything about you being a socalled "Luftwhiner".
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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2007, 01:35:39 AM »
Schlowy, the more I play this game, and the more I learn about aerodynamics, the more I realize that HTC has done an absolutely great job using a vector flight model to represent the Fluid Dynamics that in the real world, make an airplane fly.  There are bugs out there perhaps, but most, I believe, are problems with solid, indisputable documentation with respect to the actual aircraft performance, structure, and testing.

There are very good aerodynamic reasons why the 109 loses elevator effectiveness at high speeds, even before compressibility becomes a factor.  Those same aerodynaic factors are why other planes don't lose elevator effectiveness at high speeds.

If you are receptive to an explanation, I'll post one.  If you continue to think there's some sort of Allied superiority agenda in this game, I'm not going to bother.

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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2007, 07:09:37 AM »
Unfortunately for you schlowy i don't fly the spit, I fly the 109.  Up up until a few months ago all i flew was the mossie.  

I don't think i need to tell you what urchin flies, i think you can probably guess by now.
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2007, 09:15:49 AM »
See Rules #4, #6
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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2007, 09:21:51 AM »
See Rule #4, #5
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« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2007, 10:09:22 AM »
schlowy, I am only going to leave this post up for a few minutes....

I would rethink that post directed at Skuzzy.  IMO are correct that the other poster was likely flamebating.  You are even correct to complain about it.  But you are way out of line for poping off at HTC staff for not having moderated it.  They cannot possibly read every post on this board.  If they happen upon a post that need moderated, they take care of it.  If someone brings an inappropriate post to their attention, they will also moderate it.  What you are doing in that post is more than bringing attention to it.  You are asking to be banned from the board permenantly.

Again, consider editing that while you can.  The issue is not what you have to say, but the disrespectful attitude in which you say it.

[edit] Actually, I changed my mind, I'll only delete this post if the advise is taken.
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« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2007, 10:19:05 AM »
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And what do you fly Stoney?
Its about the stats that he chooses to believe, or the ones that he doesn't include, its about no data, and no sources.
This is not World of Warcraft, this is a historic game, we need refferencers, something that, right or wrong, atleast wiki puts.


Typically the P-47 is my main ride, although I fly a lot of different stuff.

Try WWII Aircraft Performance.  Excellent website.  Look for performance charts for the 109 at Zeno's Warbirds.  There are at least a dozen reputable websites out there that have credible information.  But, typically on this board, when someone has a gripe about a particular part of the game, they do the research and present it.  They don't throw out an opinion and then expect the other forum members to prove them wrong.

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« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2007, 12:42:15 PM »
See Rule #4
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« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2007, 01:33:43 PM »
I'm just curious if it'll only be the bb you're banned from.
"Willy's gone and made another,
Something like it's elder brother-
Wing tips rounded, spinner's bigger.
Unbraced tailplane ends it's figure.
One-O-nine F is it's name-
F is for futile, not for fame."