whoops NoQuartr

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Bronk

I have no reason to lie and no reason to provide you a film

[toonces3]

Originally posted by Bingolong
I had a zero ram my jug the other day, took off my wing it said he collided as he went flying on.
What I would like to know, how does a zero collide with anything and keep flying especially a jug? Its more like the PT-109 and the Amagiri in reverse.

Was that me?

If so, that collision took off my wing as well.  Somebody got the kill.

[mtnman]

Originally posted by SlapShot
I understand your explanation perfectly ... but you left out the logic of the HOST messages that are displayed.

From the screen shot it is quite conclusive that NoQuartr collided with Mustaine ... and that Mustaine did not collide with NoQuartr.

Mustaine's original post never brought up the subject of "damage" ... just "collison".

All we can see from Mustaine's screenshot is that Mustaine's FE thinks NoQuartr collided with him.  The system message displayed is NOT an assignment of guilt.  It's extremely unlikely, if not impossible, that NoQuartr's FE saw the same thing.  Damage would have been assigned accordingly.  If NoQuartr saw a miss, he received none.

Really, an understanding of the collision model shows that post's like these (attempting to assign blame for collisions) are pointless.

Having seen swarms of posts explaining the collision model, I won't explain it again, but would recommend a BBS search for anybody not familiar with how it works.

MtnMan

[FBplmmr]

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Bingolong
I have no reason to lie and no reason to provide you a film

No, but you more than likely have no idea how the collision model works .

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by mtnman
All we can see from Mustaine's screenshot is that Mustaine's FE thinks NoQuartr collided with him.  The system message displayed is NOT an assignment of guilt.  It's extremely unlikely, if not impossible, that NoQuartr's FE saw the same thing.  Damage would have been assigned accordingly.  If NoQuartr saw a miss, he received none.

No guilt need be assigned ... just who collided and who didn't.

The HOST message it displayed to both parties. Had Mustaine collided with NoQuartr ... he would have also gotten the orange message (which NoQuartr most definately got) that he collided with NoQuartr.

When you get a HOST message ... that means that the HOST received information that one / the other / or both collided.

Mustaine did not collide with him ... on either FE ... his or NoQuartr's.

[SunBat]

If two planes were flying straight at one another, both AFK and they collided, who would get the white message that "so and so collided with you" and who would get the message "You have collided".  In other words, who would get the blame?


I suppose the next question, and the MOST important is, if two planes collided in the wilderness and nobody was there to witness it, did it really happen???  

[Bronk]

Originally posted by SunBat
If two planes were flying straight at one another, both AFK and they collided, who would get the white message that "so and so collided with you" and who would get the message "You have collided".  In other words, who would get the blame?

 

If its nose to nose, both would get the "you have collided".

[SD67]

I run into people all the time, do I ever try to intentionally ram? Only if you are in a goon and I'm out of ammo
Usually it's the result of just getting too darn close before breaking away.
So to anyone I've ever hit sorry will try to be quicker next time:)
To any goon pilot I've taken out (I think I've only ever had to resort to this 2 or 3 times) sorry, but the greater good demanded it;)

[mtnman]

Originally posted by SlapShot
No guilt need be assigned ... just who collided and who didn't.

The HOST message it displayed to both parties. Had Mustaine collided with NoQuartr ... he would have also gotten the orange message (which NoQuartr most definately got) that he collided with NoQuartr.

When you get a HOST message ... that means that the HOST received information that one / the other / or both collided.

Mustaine did not collide with him ... on either FE ... his or NoQuartr's.

Was NoQuartr even involved in a collision?  We can't tell that from the screenshot.  

It's entirely possible, if not probable, that from NoQuartr's veiw it was a near miss.  We can about guarantee that his FE didn't see things the way Mustaine's did.  

Would he have gotten a message "You have collided with Mustaine"?  Probably.  That would be because Mustaine's FE would have sent that info through the server.  Would he be damaged as a result?  Only if his FE also saw the collision.  Did it?

MtnMan

[JB73]

Originally posted by mtnman
Was NoQuartr even involved in a collision?  

yes. that is the only way collisions are registered. it has been explained a bunch of times. his FE sees collision he gets a message "you have collided" and the other plane gets the message "xxx has collided with you"

bit of back story I was upping off a CV into a 6-2 and just out of ack range some guy comes blazing ho from D1.2, I was about 100 feet agl, juked left then slightly down right to go into a high left yo-yo, got pinged, then the ram message. a few seconds later the kill message, then shot down by another plane. I believe I gave a few hispano bursts on my way across left to right, one or 2 probably hit him and that why I got the kill credit.

my only reason to post was to call him out. he wants to talk smack well he better back it up with better flying than he did there. I'm no ace, everyone knows that, but I have been around for long enough to be better than the average n00b.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by JB73
umm he claims I rammed him in the text buffer, but yet he did.

But he called you Skippy.  It's all good.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by mtnman
All we can see from Mustaine's screenshot is that Mustaine's FE thinks NoQuartr collided with him.  

Mustaine's FE doesn't "think" anything.  It was NoQuartr's FE that detected a collision on his end and sent the message that he had collided.  Mustaine's FE is just the recipient of that message, it is not doing any analysis in this case.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by mtnman
Was NoQuartr even involved in a collision?  We can't tell that from the screenshot.  

It's entirely possible, if not probable, that from NoQuartr's veiw it was a near miss.  We can about guarantee that his FE didn't see things the way Mustaine's did.  

Would he have gotten a message "You have collided with Mustaine"?  Probably.  That would be because Mustaine's FE would have sent that info through the server.  Would he be damaged as a result?  Only if his FE also saw the collision.  Did it?

MtnMan

Was NoQuartr even involved in a collision?  We can't tell that from the screenshot.

Yes we can ... Mustaine would not have received that HOST message had NoQuartr's FE not registered a collision. Since, Mustaine got the message ... NoQuartr did collide with him.

It's entirely possible, if not probable, that from NoQuartr's veiw it was a near miss.

Impossible ... see above.

We can about guarantee that his FE didn't see things the way Mustaine's did.

Absolutely ... Mustaine's FE saw no collision.

Would he have gotten a message "You have collided with Mustaine"?  Probably.

Not probably ... NoQuartr most definately got that message.

That would be because Mustaine's FE would have sent that info through the server.

Wrong ... what Mustaine's FE sees has no bearing on what happens to NoQuartr in this case.

Would he be damaged as a result?

Only if Mustaine's FE says that he collided with NoQuartr ... which he didn't else he would have gotten the orange "You have collided" message.

Only if his FE also saw the collision.  Did it?

Correct ... and no it didn't.

[mtnman]

You know, I think I took this backwards.  I thought Mustaine had taken damage from a collision, and was blaming NoQuartr for hitting him.

I was thinking Mustaine's FE saw the collision, and not Noquartr's.

I thought that was why Mustaine was lifting a new plane, hehe!

Sorry!

MtnMan