Author Topic: What is a Militia? (Read 18524 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #555 on:** December 28, 2007, 12:27:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Bingolong

every citizen, so "enrolled" and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock....

After he enrolls he gets a gun.
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thats not what it says, it says after enrollment he has six months to get a gun, it does NOT say he cannot have a gun before he enrolls.

read what it says, not what you want it to say.

Bingolong · « **Reply #556 on:** December 28, 2007, 12:33:00 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
thats not what it says, it says after enrollment he has six months to get a gun, it does NOT say he cannot have a gun before he enrolls.

read what it says, not what you want it to say.

It says he shall provide a musket to What john? Be in the Militia!

Sit down!

john9001 · « **Reply #557 on:** December 28, 2007, 12:39:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Bingolong
It says he shall provide a musket to What john? Be in the Militia!

Sit down!

you sit down , you have it backwards, he needs a gun to join the militia, he does not need to join the militia to have a gun.

Bingolong · « **Reply #558 on:** December 28, 2007, 01:09:10 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
you sit down , you have it backwards, he needs a gun to join the militia, he does not need to join the militia to have a gun.

Okay show me where it says that any act, law or legislation you can find.
Show me where it says he must have a gun to enroll in the militia any where?

Bingolong · « **Reply #559 on:** December 28, 2007, 01:35:04 PM »

Btw laz, you are over 17 and under 45 correct? or have been in the service?

I am not the militia as I am to old and did not serve :|. hmmm....

http://www.census.gov/population/projections/SummaryTabA1.pdf
http://www.census.gov/population/projections/SummaryTabB2.pdf

Loosely using 2010 estimates in your favor,

About 57mil qualify for militia duty say 20% < medical, politcal, or legal etc..> do not so about 45mil or so.
That only leaves 232 mil of us that do not qualify to be in the militia... That is hardly all of us now is it?

AKIron · « **Reply #560 on:** December 28, 2007, 02:05:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Bingolong
Btw laz, you are over 17 and under 45 correct?

lazs2 · « **Reply #561 on:** December 28, 2007, 02:43:52 PM »

Nope... 57

As I have said in earlier posts.. or could it be threads? As I have said... you might have a little trouble with the whole gender and age discrimination thing.

There are laws against age and gender discrimination. Plus.. Like nearly everyone else in the world.. I know that the second is not conditional on militia anyway so.. no matter how you look at it.. I am in the clear.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #562 on:** December 28, 2007, 02:47:04 PM »

and...it would never be all of us in any case. "able bodied" means sound of mind and body. A felon has had his citizenship rights restricted... a minor has no rights.

but women and people over 45? you might have some problems on that one due to current law.

but... as I said. the seconds pointing out of our rights has nothing to do with membership in a militia.

lazs

Bingolong · « **Reply #563 on:** December 28, 2007, 02:54:29 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Nope... 57

As I have said in earlier posts.. or could it be threads? As I have said... you might have a little trouble with the whole gender and age discrimination thing.

There are laws against age and gender discrimination. Plus.. Like nearly everyone else in the world.. I know that the second is not conditional on militia anyway so.. no matter how you look at it.. I am in the clear.

lazs

well its clear you pick and choose the laws you like.

Bingolong · « **Reply #564 on:** December 28, 2007, 03:04:04 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
and...it would never be all of us in any case. "able bodied" means sound of mind and body. A felon has had his citizenship rights restricted... a minor has no rights.

but women and people over 45? you might have some problems on that one due to current law.

but... as I said. the seconds pointing out of our rights has nothing to do with membership in a militia.

lazs

There are laws about it

I've allready posted them many times.

Women in the Natinal Guard? As my engineer friend says "so small that it gets lost in the noise."

over 45 ... laws for that to shall I post them again maybe you will read it this time

or...

AKIron · « **Reply #565 on:** December 28, 2007, 03:24:51 PM »

I sure hope the SC has enough nerve to rule on the meaning of the second amendment as it applies to individual rights. May spoil many lively forum arguments but this needs to be put to rest, well, until the libs can appoint enough justices to reverse what I think will be a ruling in favor of liberty.

lazs2 · « **Reply #566 on:** December 29, 2007, 10:35:42 AM »

bingie.. again.. being in the militia.. no matter what.. is not a condition of the second.. the "people" have the right not the militia.

but... I don't think that if I wanted to be considered part of the unorganized militia.. that being told that I was too old would stand up in any court. just as telling a woman she couldn't be would.

But.. even so.. this may be one area where people have changed since the 1700's.. a 30 year old was an old man back then but he was still probly ten times better shape than some 30 year olds now.. still.. by the time he was 45.. he was pretty broke down. today.. it is a matter of genetics and exercise etc.. I am for sure fit enough for any unorganized militia.

It is also fair to note that many front line combat troops today are over 45.

but.. if they told me I couldn't be part of the militia.. no big deal.. don't really care... I am still "the people" and as such.. my right to keep and bear arms is supposed to be protected... to not be "infringed".

lazs

AKIron · « **Reply #567 on:** December 29, 2007, 11:13:35 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
bingie.. again.. being in the militia.. no matter what.. is not a condition of the second.. the "people" have the right not the militia.

but... I don't think that if I wanted to be considered part of the unorganized militia.. that being told that I was too old would stand up in any court. just as telling a woman she couldn't be would.

There's no doubt in my mind that should any war, internal or external, ever require an unorganized militia of citizens, no one willing and capable of firing a rifle would be excluded.

Bingolong · « **Reply #568 on:** December 29, 2007, 11:28:02 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
bingie.. again.. being in the militia.. no matter what.. is not a condition of the second.. the "people" have the right not the militia.

but... I don't think that if I wanted to be considered part of the unorganized militia.. that being told that I was too old would stand up in any court. just as telling a woman she couldn't be would.

But.. even so.. this may be one area where people have changed since the 1700's.. a 30 year old was an old man back then but he was still probly ten times better shape than some 30 year olds now.. still.. by the time he was 45.. he was pretty broke down. today.. it is a matter of genetics and exercise etc.. I am for sure fit enough for any unorganized militia.

It is also fair to note that many front line combat troops today are over 45.

but.. if they told me I couldn't be part of the militia.. no big deal.. don't really care... I am still "the people" and as such.. my right to keep and bear arms is supposed to be protected... to not be "infringed".

lazs

wrong laz,

It says

"a well regulated militia , as being necessary {"a necessity"} to the security of a free state,". It is the only thing that is a necessity in the whole amendment. Because of that necessity. the people "have the right" to keep and bear arms.

john9001 · « **Reply #569 on:** December 29, 2007, 11:37:35 AM »

again you are reading into it what you want to read, it is not giving the people the right to have guns, it is protecting the right the people already have to have guns. Shall not be infringed.