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Offline Kermit de frog

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« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2007, 07:19:19 PM »
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Much like the negative G evasive, then instant nose up, people do in the IL2's, it has no basis of anykind, that I'm aware of, in WWII combat.  Ergo, it shouldn't be used in our simulation.....thus gamey.

I sense that you are lying in wait Kermit, ready to pounce on me with one argument or another.  I don't see the point, really.  i've statedmy opinion on the matter and, based on some posts in this thread, there are others who feel the same.


I was lying in wait, ready for a discussion if you went in one direction.

Others feeling the same as you?  I sure there are, but why did you say that?  You trying to say if others feel the same way, that it must be true?  I think maybe you are saying that it's not just be that feels this way, so maybe you should think about why this is so.  Well I am.  Hence the discussion.

About your IL2 example.  That's a good one.  I feel it's gamey too.  But why?  I don't think I have an answer for that one.  Stick stirring as well.  I wonder if this game measures sideways G's on the pilot at all?

It was a cool film Bmathis.  Sorry if Steve Hijacked your thread.
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« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2007, 07:19:33 PM »
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Avaro, you may be right.  I'm pretty sure thats happened to me in the hurri 1 when i've pulled neg g's for too long.


I can confirm that, I fly it all the time. If you stall the engine out too long, you do have to manually restart it. .

As a side not about the only time I've stalled one that much is in a very steep dive.
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« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2007, 07:21:28 PM »
Widewing said what I was going to imply if you Steve said Yes to the question of an advantage being gained.
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« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2007, 07:22:03 PM »
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Haha, but thats to pwn in a hog... :D Cut throttle drop the gear... Where's blukitty at? lol


I love when Hogs do that kinda stuff.. I just keep my E and pull up and over and pounce them again on the way back down. :D
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« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2007, 07:23:01 PM »
Mayhaps you gents are forgetting that not everyone can go out and purchase a 200$ Stick and throttle setup.  With enough control surfaces, buttons, and programming software to be able to play this game without ever touching the keyboard. (Thank you Saitek X-52 Pro)


Back when I only had my Cyborg Evo, with the throttle attached to the stick, I would have to use my left hand on the keyboard for landing gear, flaps, WEP, etc. etc.
Now in that case, what is more economical, pushing E to shut off the engine with the same effect as dropping throttle, and not losing key orientation due to removing your hand from the keyboard.  Or reaching across my desk to my stick and dropping the throttle, then hoping I know my keyboard well enough to hit the flap button the right time the first time in order to keep the plane under control.  Or, cut engine, drop flaps, increase engine power?

I was able to do that with 3 keys by cutting the engine.  Whereas if I didn't, I'd have to drop throttle, hope I hit the right key and move my hand back to the throttle, then back to the keyboard for more controls.




All cutting the engine does is provide a shortcut for those players who can't afford a seperate throttle assembly.  Thus making it a little more balanced towards those who can.

Personally, once I got all my controls programmed into my X-52 Pro, I never had to cut the engine ever again.

But just because I don't have to doesn't mean everyone else has an X-52 Pro and can just pull their arm back, or forward, or click the forward hat on the throttle for flaps and the little button for WEP.  Or have a quick pan switch button for views, or have neat little toggle buttons for their trim controls.  (Which have spared my 109 many a lawndart's fate.)

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« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2007, 07:29:21 PM »
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I love when Hogs do that kinda stuff.. I just keep my E and pull up and over and pounce them again on the way back down. :D


Hmm, Say your against a good turn fighter your in a turn fight your a bit above him you need to turn inside before you lose your advantage.. Cut throttle drop gear boomm... :p

I have a move for people that keep there e and zoom away.... :aok
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« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2007, 07:32:09 PM »
Hoffman, I use my keyboard and a Standard MS Sidewinder FF Joystick. Personally I have no problems at all working my flaps and WEP via my keyboard and still having good throttle control.

Sure maybe someone with a separate throttle control and lots of buttons  has a slight advantage, but I've never felt it as much of an issue.
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« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2007, 07:45:15 PM »
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Hmm, Say your against a good turn fighter your in a turn fight your a bit above him you need to turn inside before you lose your advantage.. Cut throttle drop gear boomm... :p

I have a move for people that keep there e and zoom away.... :aok


I live for the turn fights, but I have learned flying a Hurri 1 not to throw away my E. I'm not a BnZzzzzzer in any sort as BnZing in a Huri 1 is a pretty useless tactic. The guns don't have enough kill power for the quick snap shot required to kill using BnZ's.

You are welcome to try your throttle drop gear boomm move on me in the DA. I'll fly my Hurri 1 you can fly anything you want.  Yea might kill me yea might not, I dunno I don't think I've ever fought you.. but I'll put up a good fight. :D
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« Reply #68 on: November 21, 2007, 07:54:30 PM »
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I live for the turn fights, but I have learned flying a Hurri 1 not to throw away my E. I'm not a BnZzzzzzer in any sort as BnZing in a Huri 1 is a pretty useless tactic. The guns don't have enough kill power for the quick snap shot required to kill using BnZ's.

You are welcome to try your throttle drop gear boomm move on me in the DA. I'll fly my Hurri 1 you can fly anything you want.  Yea might kill me yea might not, I dunno I don't think I've ever fought you.. but I'll put up a good fight. :D


Shame I don't have an account atm.. I'd fly the 1hog though. Maybe when i get an account again.:aok
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« Reply #69 on: November 21, 2007, 08:51:48 PM »
The point I was getting at was, that the AH engine starting proceedure consists of one key stroke.  
The reason there are cry's of 'gamey', is that if one had to hold the start switch, while simultaniously operating the primer, for X number of revolutions, while also manhandling the control stick (mind you this is during a maneuvering fight), and dealing with directional G forces, adjusting the mixture as it starts to fire, and whatever else is required for that particular plane model during starting the engines....One would think twice about cutting the engine.

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« Reply #70 on: November 21, 2007, 08:58:38 PM »
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Really?  Name quite a few.   Go ahead.


BS


Why?  So you can call them names? :cry

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haha.. What do you consider "old timer"?
Those that have played for 2+ years.  Really old I would consider to be 5+ years.


Suffice to say I am too lazy to cut engine like that myself, I just throttle down and use rudder & flaps if avail.  But I don't have a problem with someone killing the engine because when you see that prop stop turning you know they just gave up controlling the fight.

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« Reply #71 on: November 21, 2007, 10:50:10 PM »
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I was in the MA last night with Kermit. We took up Pony Bs and flew towards the largest dar bar we could find. I was jumped by about 6 Knits. My wingman Kermit and I were separated. A P51-B Chased me, and one of the Best fights I've ever had ensued... Check it out. <>

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« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2007, 11:03:09 PM »
Kermit I said that about turning tighter because thats the reason given online when its brought up. I think its funny because it doesnt help anymore than throttling down and really if they are trying to force an overshoot then they should be using a skid but I almost never see that and I see guys shutting off their engine when they really want to run and it just doesnt make sense. No the tendency is to turn the engine off so if theres a good reason I would like to know. Now if you say they dont have throttles then thats a good reason I guess but maybe they should stick to vehicles.
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« Reply #73 on: November 22, 2007, 12:13:38 AM »
Well I've seen what this thread has become. I didn't expect this to turn  out so negatively.

I do not like it when any person is downgraded, or condescended upon for one reason or another (In game or not).  We are a community here, and all deserve the right to our opinion; I respect that. I apologise to Steve for my response earlier, that was not tasteful, and should not have been posted.

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Widewing, thank you for your input and hard work. It was very useful and interesting to me, and the community. :aok

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« Reply #74 on: November 22, 2007, 12:33:20 AM »
Sorry, I was so busy commenting on the comments.....Nice film :)