It takes an American to see the greatness of Laetitia Daguenel

[Charon]

She seems to be holding that Glock so awkwardly. But hey, it works.

I haven't looked into it but I imagine she would be pretty average by fully international standards. One clip shows Angus Hobdell making his runs and you can notice a difference. I'm not familiar enough with the sport to really know either way.

However, my point in posting was that given all the challenges the firearm community has in Europe (though France is pretty liberal on ownership for the time being) there are enthusiasts out there enjoying firearm sports like we do here, beside the Swiss, and some are not that hard on the eyes:) Plus, she's only 18 or 19, so there is some room to improve.

When I think of "Chicks With Guns" this is more of a turn on than some silicon bimbo in a bikini closing her eyes, pointing the muzzle generally down range and burning through a mag on full auto

Charon

[68Wooley]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Main reason for us to get guns is for hunting animals. We dont carry them around. Its not allowed to walk around with a loaded handgun on the streets. Your issues with your gov seems to hover around wether or not you can carry one around. That is not even an intersting debate over here as noone is interested in having one with you for "protection"

Don't want to get caught up in the USA v Europe p*****g match here, but Nilsen hits on a key issue here: whilst gun laws vary widely accross European countries, generally speaking it is illegal to carry firearms other than in carefully controlled situations such as gun clubs. Unlike the USA, however, that doesn't bother anyone in Europe as no-one wants to carry a firearm.

The issue of gun ownership has historically been seen a key issue in US politics and been the focus of battles on personal freedoms and government non-interferance. That's kept the interest in gun ownership relatively high.

In Europe, there has never been anything like that focus on the subject and therefore it is a non-issue. Europeans have generally never even considered owning a gun so the concept of being p'eed off because they are not allowed to doesn't come up. Interestingly, European society has not collapsed  as a result.

[Nilsen]

Thats about it Wooley. A gun is not a symbol of rights or personal freedom at all in the same way. Here in Norway the flag is a much stronger symbol for natural causes. Its not really needed for protection from the government or criminals either. Except for armed robbery of banks and gang vs gang shootings etc criminals knows that the police is not armed and victims that they want to rob on the streets is not either so they dont feel the need to use one. Gun related deaths are mostly suicides or familily tragedies that are usually triggered by a combination of a gun that is easily available and alcohol.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Nilsen
criminals knows that the police is not armed and victims that they want to rob on the streets is not either so they dont feel the need to use one.  

so the criminal just beats you up and takes what they want from you, what a great country to be a criminal in.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by john9001
so the criminal just beats you up and takes what they want from you, what a great country to be a criminal in.

If they so desire they do.. just like everywere else on the planet.

Beeing able to carry a gun doesnt seem to magically make america the safest place to live either. The big difference is that if one or both of them have a gun the end of the story is far more likley to be that one of em or both ends up dead or injured. When neither has a gun the worst thing that usually happens is that the good guy looses valuables that can be replaced with ease.

dead or injured vs abit broker (until you get it back from the insurance) hmm...

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Beeing able to carry a gun doesnt seem to magically make america the safest place to live either.

It's a good deal safer for those who do have a gun in their hand when the need arises.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Beeing able to carry a gun doesnt seem to magically make america the safest place to live either.


it makes me safer.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by AKIron
It's a good deal safer for those who do have a gun in their hand when the need arises.

no it doesnt

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Nilsen
no it doesnt

Do you mean no it isn't? I bet that for every instance of some gun possessing innocent assaulted where the gun did them no good I can cite 2 where the gun did protect them.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by AKIron
Do you mean no it isn't? I bet that for every instance of some gun possessing innocent assaulted where the gun did them no good I can cite 2 where the gun did protect them.

Chanses of you yourself getting killed or injured is prolly higher if you have a gun than if you just fork over the loot that the bad guy wants.

[Viking]

I'd rather risk my life and shoot them than just give in to criminals. I think it should be a human right to be able to protect life and property with whatever means necessary. That we don't need to do so in this country is irrelevant.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Viking
I'd rather risk my life and shoot them than just give in to criminals. I think it should be a human right to be able to protect life and property with whatever means necessary. That we don't need to do so in this country is irrelevant.

So you think everyone should have the right to carry a firearm on the streets?

[Viking]

Given the proper education and security clearance (mental illness, criminal record etc.) ... yes.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Viking
Given the proper education and security clearance (mental illness, criminal record etc.) ... yes.

mhm ok..

so when should you be allowed to walk around with one?

From what age?

Only when sober?

When should you be allowed to fire it at someone?

[john9001]

Originally posted by Nilsen
mhm ok..

so when should you be allowed to walk around with one?

From what age?

Only when sober?

When should you be allowed to fire it at someone?

the law already covers that, varies a little by state.