Author Topic: Rules for Virtual Life (Read 1299 times)

Widewing · « **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2007, 09:35:21 AM »

I rarely use WEP on climb-out, especially if I'm flying a fighter with a 5 minute WEP limit. Inasmuch as it takes 15 minutes to cool down the engine to recover the full five minutes, I limit WEP use to takeoff and combat.

In reference to takeoff, I always use WEP on the takeoff run. I leave it on until the temperature needle reaches normal operating temperature. This gets you to 2,000 feet faster (in the event a bad guy shows up) without penalty. The engine warms up at the same rate in WEP as it does at MIL power. Basically, it's free altitude.

Of course, in the real world, you wouldn't be taking off until after the engine was a normal operating temperature.

My regards,

Widewing

WWhiskey · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2007, 10:07:57 AM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
rgr that. lets ignore the pylon drag for a moment.

P51-D

while he on 50%+DTs is chugging along on WEP heating the engine up just to climb to a decent altitude of say 8,500ft, me on 75% clean is pulling away level 10,000ft at cruise settings and i didnt have to burn any wep.

droptanker now dumps his extra fuel (in a war? what about rationing?)

rationing is for those at home not pilots in battle!:aok

RATTFINK · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2007, 10:28:12 AM »

Ren,

I will be putting this on the VF-31's website asap.

I have read everything you wrote on "Rues for Virtual Life" & I totally agree.

I have flown with you in the MA & I truly believe flying w/ a trainer or someone who knows what they are doing & is willing to explain things is a great asset to becoming better pilot.

Be Aggressive: In our squad we call it "John Wayneing it"

Having the advantage is key in any situation.

SA: threat analysis is always a good thing when entering a fight.

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=WW=,

I too use WEP when taking off.

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Kermit de frog,

Are you a post whöer?

Widewing · « **Reply #18 on:** December 02, 2007, 11:02:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
I think the point is that getting caught in a fight with more than 50% fuel is more of a disadvantage than the small drag from pylons in an angles or energy fight.

Not every fighter suffers a drag penalty from fuel and bomb pylons. P-38s, P-47s, and P-51s do not as they are standard equipment, already factored into their basic drag model. Adding rockets WILL add drag and slow these fighters a bit.

The F4U-1D, -1C and -4 do not suffer an additional drag penalty either. The F4U-1 and -1A do as they do not have pylons or racks as standard equipment. Adding rockets adds the racket tabs, which adds drag. Same goes for the F6F-5.

The Ki-61, Ki-84 and Niki do not suffer added drag for bombs. There are others as well. Again, pylons are standard equipment and factored into their drag models.

Typically, I'll fly an F6F-5 or P-47 with 50% fuel and a drop tank. In a P-38 or F4U-1D, I'll take a drop tank and a 1k bomb. This adds flexibility, allowing for a change of purpose if need be.

I'm fond of flying a short clip 6-gun P-47D-40 with 50% and a drop tank. With the tank off and the two less guns, this Jug can climb very well and will surprise many with its ability to maneuver. There's enough ammunition and fuel to get six kills before RTB.

My regards,

Widewing

Ghastly · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2007, 10:56:41 AM »

Words of truth.

With respect to drop tanks... there are those who will argue that to take a drop tank when you take less than 100% internal fuel is "gaming the game", as it wasn't the practice in real life. I myself neither strongly agree or disagree, as arena play departs from real life so dramatically with a 2x multiplier and 25 miles between fields that whether a player using drop tanks has a full internal fuel or not is meaningless (IMO). I myself tend to like to climb clean, so I usually don't take them on the plane I usually fly (-1A), and will take a little more internal instead, and plan my fight accordingly - but that is purely a personal choice.

But I did want to mention that taking 50% and a drop may cause someone to give you flak at some point.

Yeager · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2007, 02:05:05 PM »

Not every fighter suffers a drag penalty from fuel and bomb pylons. P-38s, P-47s, and P-51s do not as they are standard equipment, already factored into their basic drag model.
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Where did you get this info? At least as it relates to how HTC designed the P-38, P47, and P51 flight models with regards to the underwing stores pylons .

Thanks

Widewing · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2007, 08:14:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Not every fighter suffers a drag penalty from fuel and bomb pylons. P-38s, P-47s, and P-51s do not as they are standard equipment, already factored into their basic drag model.
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Where did you get this info? At least as it relates to how HTC designed the P-38, P47, and P51 flight models with regards to the underwing stores pylons .

Thanks

I believe that Pyro has discussed this in the past. However, the easiest way to determine if there are drag increases is to actually test the aircraft.

Take any model P-47, P-51, P-38 or the F4U-1D. Load bombs, or fuel tanks, or a combination where allowed. Take off, and pitch off all of the external stores. Now, do a max speed run (MIL power till it maxs out, then WEP). Record the maximum speed attained. Repeat the test, but don't take any ordnance or fuel tanks. Record the maximum speed. You will see that it is exactly the same.

This exists because the pylons are standard equipment, not add-on racks. Thus, they are factored into the basic drag model.

Do the same testing with the F4U-1A or an Fw 190A-5 and you'll see about a 6 mph loss of speed compared to clean. These racks were add-on equipment, not factored into the basic drag model.

Moreover, the racks cannot be jettisoned.

This is why the F4U-1 is faster than the F4U-1D... It's cleaner, not having pylons as standard equipment. However, add a bomb or drop tank to the -1 and after its dropped, you'll find it no longer has a speed advantage over the -1D.

There is actual, real world test data of P-51s with and without the pylons. Naturally, it's faster without them. However, I cannot think of one instance where P-51s flew in combat with the pylons removed. I'm sure HTC investigated that too. Therefore, you cannot omit them in the game.

My regards,

Widewing

RedTop · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2007, 08:54:27 PM »

LOL @ all this technical jargin....

Not one bit of drag makes a bit of differance in ANY plane I fly...as I die anyway....the fact that drag is there or not wouldnt help me one bit.

goober69 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 04, 2007, 06:55:28 AM »

i fly the jug a lot and the p51
my base operating alt is 15k most of the time
my usual load is 50% drops in p51 or 75%
or 75% one middle drop
or 50% 2 75gal drops in p47n
i like haviing over 40 min of fuel, i like to just cruise around a lot too.
in the jug i never drop the middle tank until im engaged defensive or its dry.
in the 51 i drop tanks as soon as i get to my target area.
i usualy up from a base away so its no big deal with no wep on climb, i just go get a drink or something. i only use wep to climb when super heavy with ord and then only to about ten or 12k.

and on fuel weight diference take a zero for instance it s been flying for a while and has about ten min fuel remaining and meets another just upping with 50% in a turning fight the first one will own the other. pilots being equal of course.

expereinced that first hand.