Honor Code for AH ?

[WWhiskey]

the honor code is what you make of it .
you are the one that must decide what is right  and wrong
if you display honor to gain recognition ,that is not honor!
most honor comes from those who do not seek anything more than the right thing to do!

[JB73]

you must be new here.

I too once thought we saw ourselves as noble knights of the sky; our wives, kids, co-workers and friends, however, see us as computer dorks who play “airplane”.



I agree.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Urchin
See Ren, I gotta disagree with you here.  

One of the most common, and most infuriating things, about the way most people play this game is that they are scared.  

Just plain scared.  Afraid to fight.  Afraid they might lose.  I don't know why.  You can be in a P-47 loaded down with bombs, rockets, and DTs, and about 85% of the people who play this game will come in with a 5k alt advantage, make one lazy bore n zoom pass, run like hell if you so much as bank, then wait till 2 or 3 friendlies show up before they sprout some balls...

Now?  The game is populated with a horde of skill-free, faceless, nutless twits.  They suck, they know it.  And whats more, they are PROUD of it...

Thats the attitude.  I've only been back for like 6 weeks.  The gameplay has NEVER been worse than it is now.  The average skill level has NEVER been so low as it is now.

The game used to be full of people.  Now it is full of faceless chicken****s.  So yea, any talk of an "honor code" is laughable at best, a mockery of what this GAME used to be at worst.

Urchin,

I don't see the game any differently than I did playing AW in '96.  All the same types were there then, and they are here now.  Granted, there may be more now, but the player base is larger.

I will admit that back in the old days though, there actually was an unwritten code of honor.  You'de usually (not always) let someone go if low on fuel, damaged or out of ammo.  Hoarding and ganging wasn't as bad although I still remember getting beat regularily by wingman tactics so it wasn't always one on one either.

As to skill level?  You are just better now.  You've risen above the mediocrity of the crowd.

I never seem to find a problem getting someone to fight with me but I spend a lot of time flying a 190A-8 and everyone thinks they can beat me in a turn fight .  Am I that great that I can beat N1K's, Spits, F6F's and F4U's turn-fighting in a 190?  Nope, not against someone of similar skill anyway but I always hope I've got a trick or two that I've picked up over the years that I can use to gain an edge.  

Sure, there are the occasional runners who get balls and come back to pick you when you're engaged in a 3 on 1 (sound familiar anyone?).  Oh well.  That's my own fault for getting into that 3 on 1 knowing the runner was still around.  

Anyway, I don't think there's a code of honor anymore.  At least not like there was in the old days (although a few still honor that code) but I also don't see the huge degredation in the game that others seem to.  I think people just naturally remember the good things when thinking back and forget the frustrations.

[TequilaChaser]

not so much to say there is any Honor code in the game, but some do show some character and have earned a bit of "respect" amongst each other......

mostly the longer playing players......that have flown against each other forever and a Day, and knows what to and what not to expect from each other in the game.....

one of the guys on this board has a good sig line  something to the effect of:
"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends."

[WWM]

Can't say how the old days were as I've only been here 4 months.  It is very obvious that 80% of the players only give a watermelon about their score...not how they get it.  

Ren,  I respectfuly disagree.   Yes, war is hell...was in Bosnia.   This is not war. This is a game people pay $15.00 a month to have fun with.   No one pays $15.00 a month to go through the hell of war.  

There are still good guys on here.  I've met and made friends with a few good guys from all sides.  Learned to really dislike several on all sides as well.


Warren M

[Vasco]

Honor == Any goodwill that won't result in an abrupt end of your life.


Cheers,
Vasco

[Stang]

Urchin pretty much said it.

[Yeager]

its all BS.  Play the game however you feel compelled to.  If you act like an bellybutton in game its because your an bellybutton in real life.  As for honor?  Well......sure, if I feel like it.

As far as being scared: Urchin called it only half right.  Some people believe being successful is landing every sortie regardless of kills made.  Others believe it is HO'ing in their C-hog as many players in as short a time span as possible before getting ploded.  Something about rank I guess.........

To each his own.  

It is still a good thing to instill a sense of common decency within the game community relating to how players treat one another. ie ass-like behavior should be frowned upon.

[Kermit de frog]

There are many pilots that will fly with an honor code.

Some will not ever vulch,
some will not ever fire on a ho,
some will not ever run from a 1v1,
rules/guildlines that ultimately lead to giving good fights.

An honor code can vary from person to person and exists to ensure that other parties bysides yourself can be given some enjoyment.

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[MachNix]

Originally posted by miraj
What needs to be added to this list?

Don't forget to change the name to "Aces High – The Musical."

In all seriousness, I do like the point about answering the noobs correctly and not monopolizing the radio with spam.  But fly your own game.  There are plenty of people out there talking and typing up a Big Game but are the first to Ho and Ram to steal a kill.  Everyone is looking for an edge.  If they can make you think it is unethical to use flaps in a fight, they gain an advantage over you.  And if you do shoot them down, they will PM you to tell you that you Ho’ed or Picked or wasted too much of your E or burned too much ammo or how they where out of ammo or pilot wounded.  It is all a Head Game to get you to hesitate at your next encounter.  The bottom line is they’re back in the Tower getting a new airplane and you are still flying.  So fly under the Code that makes you feel the best about yourself when you log off.  The development of your Code is another aspect of this Game.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Urchin
See Ren, I gotta disagree with you here.  

One of the most common, and most infuriating things, about the way most people play this game is that they are scared.  

Just plain scared.  Afraid to fight.  Afraid they might lose.  I don't know why.  You can be in a P-47 loaded down with bombs, rockets, and DTs, and about 85% of the people who play this game will come in with a 5k alt advantage, make one lazy bore n zoom pass, run like hell if you so much as bank, then wait till 2 or 3 friendlies show up before they sprout some balls.  

Its disgusting.  I'm so disgusted with the people that play this game that I understand now why Nath was the way he was.  I am actually a little sad at the state this game is in.  I used to be able to log in and ENJOY the game.  Now?  Now I log in happy, and leave pissed off.  When I first started playing this game, I WANTED to meet the people that played it.  There were individual players, with individual personalities.  It was nice.  

Now?  The game is populated with a horde of skill-free, faceless, nutless twits.  They suck, they know it.  And whats more, they are PROUD of it.  

"If you piss someone off, that means U did GUD!"  

Thats the attitude.  I've only been back for like 6 weeks.  The gameplay has NEVER been worse than it is now.  The average skill level has NEVER been so low as it is now.

The game used to be full of people.  Now it is full of faceless chicken****s.  So yea, any talk of an "honor code" is laughable at best, a mockery of what this GAME used to be at worst.

While I haven't been around anywhere near as long as you.. I agree pretty much with  everything you posted and feel pretty much the exact same way. I log on, hoping to find some good fights and leave ticked off.

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Urchin
See Ren, I gotta disagree with you here.  

One of the most common, and most infuriating things, about the way most people play this game is that they are scared.  

Just plain scared.  Afraid to fight.  Afraid they might lose.  I don't know why.  You can be in a P-47 loaded down with bombs, rockets, and DTs, and about 85% of the people who play this game will come in with a 5k alt advantage, make one lazy bore n zoom pass, run like hell if you so much as bank, then wait till 2 or 3 friendlies show up before they sprout some balls.  

Its disgusting.  I'm so disgusted with the people that play this game that I understand now why Nath was the way he was.  I am actually a little sad at the state this game is in.  I used to be able to log in and ENJOY the game.  Now?  Now I log in happy, and leave pissed off.  When I first started playing this game, I WANTED to meet the people that played it.  There were individual players, with individual personalities.  It was nice.  

Now?  The game is populated with a horde of skill-free, faceless, nutless twits.  They suck, they know it.  And whats more, they are PROUD of it.  

"If you piss someone off, that means U did GUD!"  

Thats the attitude.  I've only been back for like 6 weeks.  The gameplay has NEVER been worse than it is now.  The average skill level has NEVER been so low as it is now.

The game used to be full of people.  Now it is full of faceless chicken****s.  So yea, any talk of an "honor code" is laughable at best, a mockery of what this GAME used to be at worst.

There is a big difference between days gone by and today. In the old days and in another game there averaged 100 people up in an arena. People got to know each other. Friends were made. We all met at the Cons, drank, partied and ate dinner together. You fought someone and gave a whether you won or lost. Fights could last 5 minutes but normally didn't . Some guy got up and started trouble and he got gang banged for his attitude. After all he wasn't hard to find. Yes there was dr. gonzo fostering the hate but it was a fun hate. Not serious.

Today we have 300+ in one arena. WE had 500+ in AH. There are guys I've shot down and been shot down by who's call sign I've never heard before. There's smack talk that sometimes sounds like real hate by people I've never heard before. it's a game, there are gonna be new guys flying. If they don't get any training they'll resort to whatever they can do to get a kill and feel a part of the group. Point the nose on a HO, shoot, ram, whatever. Look at all the alt monkeys that dive in on one guy. All for that one kill. LOL. A waste of resources and they all end up dead anyway.

I agree there are lots of folks who are bad and are proud of it. We ain't helping them any by telling them their bad. In the olds days you could tell those guys apart quickly in AH they migrated to bombers or GV's because they didn't want to learn to dogfight. They eventually learn. Go back farther than AH and guys flying buffs were doing so because you could dogfight in a Vader and land lotsa kills.

Personally I take each fight as it comes. I fight and move on. I enjoy the fight be it 1v1 or 1v5. If someone runs then he's really not much of a threat if he comes back so I concentrate on the guys that wanna fight me. Those that do give a good accounting of themselves which is all I ask for. To expect more than some can give is unrealistic. Shoot em and move on.

Ren

[crockett]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
***I disagree.
Ren

Don't take this the wrong way, but how on Earth do you fly in the same squad as Skyrock if you support gang-tardism?

[DamnedRen]

Gang tardism? What is that? Das Muppets don't gang anyone. It's pretty rare that 3-4 of us share the same airspace in the same arena.

Last night I flew with 3 Muppets that shared the airspace over 33-34. Every once in a while we'd clear each other but 90% of the time we were all doing our own thing. If you got shot down by a Muppet it's merely because you inadvertantly became his target not because you got ganged by a buncha Muppets.

We go where the fight is and go there to fight. If a Muppet is in your airspace plan on a fight. It's that simple.

Ren

[crockett]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
Gang tardism? What is that? Das Muppets don't gang anyone. It's pretty rare that 3-4 of us share the same airspace in the same arena.

Last night I flew with 3 Muppets that shared the airspace over 33-34. Every once in a while we'd clear each other but 90% of the time we were all doing our own thing. If you got shot down by a Muppet it's merely because you inadvertantly became his target not because you got ganged by a buncha Muppets.

We go where the fight is and go there to fight. If a Muppet is in your airspace plan on a fight. It's that simple.

Ren

Relax.. I was poking fun at you. SkyRock is the only guy that I can think of that's worse than me on 200, yelling about gang tards.

Although I think he's settled down on 200 so maybe that makes me the worst.