Biodiesel/Vegetable oil power

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
The problem is efficiency.  Sure, hydrogen and salt water seem like cool sources.  But then you realize that you need to SPEND more energy to get the energy, then what they give off.


I don't think there will be any replacement for gasoline and oil until we find some sort of super Star Trek like energy.

I dont know or see any reason we couldnt use a facility like the hoover dam to produce hydrogen by electrolysis, the electric is allrdy there and so is the water. Electricity could just be passed through water bye copper rods to produce and capture hydrogen? The gravity is used to produce the electricity.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Bingolong
I dont know or see any reason we couldnt use a facility like the hoover dam to produce hydrogen by electrolysis, the electric is allrdy there and so is the water. Electricity could just be passed through water bye copper rods to produce and capture hydrogen? The gravity is used to produce the electricity.

Ok, sounds like a good idea.


What are we now going to use to power all the homes you cut off by using the dam for conversion of Hydrogen?

[Maverick]

Lets see, taking power from the area Hoover dam supplies. That leaves most of AZ, Nevada including Vegas and a large chunk of Southern California in the dark. Yeah that's realistic.

Did you think the dam is just sitting there and the electricity was not already allocated?!?!?!:huh Why do you think they put up a nuke power plant (Palo Verde reactor) if Hoover dam's power wasn't already tapped out?

Resources in the economy are not being left unallocated. You can't just say we'll use this or that and figure it won't impact the rest of the economy in a negative manner. It's already been born out with the corn / ethanol situation.

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Maverick
Lets see, taking power from the area Hoover dam supplies. That leaves most of AZ, Nevada including Vegas and a large chunk of Southern California in the dark. Yeah that's realistic.

Did you think the dam is just sitting there and the electricity was not already allocated?!?!?!:huh Why do you think they put up a nuke power plant (Palo Verde reactor) if Hoover dam's power wasn't already tapped out?

Resources in the economy are not being left unallocated. You can't just say we'll use this or that and figure it won't impact the rest of the economy in a negative manner. It's already been born out with the corn / ethanol situation.

I did not say take anything. I said pass through, read carefully now.

[Maverick]

Uh bingalong, don't you understand that electricity passes through a circuit in everything you run? It doesn't mean that it all passes through at the same strength. Once "work" is done by the power it is diminished.

TANSTAAFL

Oh and BTW there is no perpetual motion machine either.

As far as reading carefully goes, you might want to read my post at the beginning of this page.

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Maverick


Oh and BTW there is no perpetual motion machine either.

 

Okay how bout this?
Plasma Gasification
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/873aae7bf86c0110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

[rpm]

LePaul, did you look at the info on processors? What did you think of the designs?

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Bingolong
Okay how bout this?
Plasma Gasification
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/873aae7bf86c0110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

What about it?  It makes electricity from waste.  Waste Management has 16 plants in WA, CA, FL, and the northeast that convert waste into 227 MW of electricity, and that is just one company.

Sorry about hydrogen, but it is just one spoke in the wheel, not a panacea that will solve all our problems.

Hydrogen is just a way to store energy we must find in other forms.

[rpm]

I haven't researched this process, but if you could capture it in addition to what is already generated, i.e. place it inline, it may not be a bad idea. You could retrofit all existing hydroelectric plants with afterburners.

[Brownshirt]

http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=50088

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Bingolong
Okay how bout this?
Plasma Gasification
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/873aae7bf86c0110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

It's interesting but still not perpetual motion. The costs involved will include the sorting and transportation of the raw "fuel" as well as the removal of the "waste" for even further processing to make it usable for something. Coupled with a number of other technologies it might make a dent in fuel usage but most power generation here is from coal, not petroleum.

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Maverick
It's interesting but still not perpetual motion. The costs involved will include the sorting and transportation of the raw "fuel" as well as the removal of the "waste" for even further processing to make it usable for something. Coupled with a number of other technologies it might make a dent in fuel usage but most power generation here is from coal, not petroleum.

well from what I understand  It does take an intial boost of power to get the plasma fired off, but after that it runs its self as long as you keep dumping trash "Raw fuel", these transportation costs are already there, in it, even toxics.  The by product < waste> is material that could be used to maintain the roads, which we pay taxes for, and of course hydrogen.
here is another company larger scale.

http://www.plascoenergygroup.com/