TOS and TNG; Best and Worst

[oboe]

TOS worst:  The Lazarus Effect?   Not sure about the title but pretty cheaply made episode.   Or the one with the gunfight at the OK Corral, or the one with the Empath.  Really cheap sets.

TOS best:  I like a ton of them, but if I had too pick only one it would the "The Doomsday Machine" with William Windom as Commodore Matt Decker.   He was great.    

I liked the one with the M5 computer too, that they wired up to control the Enterprise automatically, and the one where they find the all-powerful space-happy probe, Nomad.    Kirk displays a real gift for out-arguing computers.

[GtoRA2]

TOS balance of Terror.


TNG none, worst Sci fi ever.  

Best starttrek movie? Trekies.

[Chairboy]

If we're ranking the movies:

1. Khaaaaaaaan!
2. Klingon Shakespeare
3. The One With The Whales(c)
4. That'll Do, Borg
5. The Motionless Picture
(tied)
6. Good pacing allowed is not!  Is movie forbidden!
7. Kirk loses his grip, figuratively and literally.

The last three are bland, poor quality mish-mashes that barely meet the basic criteria of complete films, with the one exception that each fights to see which can outdo the other in boring pontification and poor lighting.

[Saxman]

Originally posted by Chairboy
If we're ranking the movies:

1. Khaaaaaaaan!
2. Klingon Shakespeare
3. The One With The Whales(c)
4. That'll Do, Borg
5. The Motionless Picture
(tied)
6. Good pacing allowed is not!  Is movie forbidden!
7. Kirk loses his grip, figuratively and literally.

The last three are bland, poor quality mish-mashes that barely meet the basic criteria of complete films, with the one exception that each fights to see which can outdo the other in boring pontification and poor lighting.

Ok

1. Agreed. By far the best.
2. Agreed again.
3. I'll give you that one.
4. Ditto.
5. Sorry, now. TMP was the worst of the TOS lot. Put III here.
6. Generations
7. For all its faults, you have GOT to admit that this had some of the funniest interplay between the characters. I mean, come ON!

Sulu: "We've been caught in a....We've been caught in a blizzard."

*Chekov blows into the communicator* "And ve ken't see a ting! Ve request you direct us to the coordinates!"

Uhura: "Visual says sunny skies and 76 degrees."

Chekov: "Sulu look. The sun's come out. Eet's a meeracle!"

8. I

The last two aren't even worth mentioning.

[LePaul]

TNG:  The Roddenberry ones are not my favorite.  The lighting was poor (smile, Jordi, so we can see you!) and the drama was just overblown and weak.  When Gene died and Rick Berman took over, the lighting, camera angles and action improved greatly.

I liked all the Q episodes (especially the ones in Voyager).  Plus the ones with Nimoy (Unification?)

"The First Duty" where they investigate the Starfleet Academy Team's crash was good.  As was the one with Kelsey Grammar (333s, etc)...when they are stuck in a time loop.  (Cause & Effect)

"The Game" with Ashley Judd gave us some nice eye candy for once  

Tasha was good riddance for me too.  She banged an Android.  Yay her.  Then a black sludge killed her.  Wow.

The last episode (All Good Things) was well done.

Season 5-7 were my favorites.

Worst...when Wil breaks some lame law on the planet of the 'overtly gay people who wear tissue paper'.

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by LePaul
Worst...when Wil breaks some lame law on the planet of the 'overtly gay people who wear tissue paper'.

for me any TNG episode with Will as the center of the story was bad,  he should have been in day care....instead of wandering the ship...

[Arlo]

I was never much impressed with the logic behind TNG's "Space Exploration is long but safer now so bring along the families in our battleship/cruise liner ..... whoops ..... except for when we meet Q .... decks three through seven breached .... whoops ... except for when we meet Borg ..... decks eight through twelve breached ..... whoops .... well ok, we were wrong .... good thing you had Wesley on board, though."

[Shaky]

Best TOS: The City on the Edge of Forever
Worst TOS: Turnabout Intruder...absolutely horrible!

[Blooz]

TOS Best - A Taste of Armageddon - War between two planets is so sanitized that a computer decides who dies and they willfully walk into the disintigration machines.

TNG Best - Clues - The crew think Data is lying when he says they were all knocked out for 30 seconds and things point to the fact they were out for at least a day.

[Viking]

Originally posted by AKWabbit
TOS: Worst-

 The one with where Kirk has amnesia and dresses up like an American Indian in buckskins and head-dress.  Even as a kid I was like...WTF?

What are you on about? It is clear you were a kid when you saw it because if you had been a bit older ... like I was ... you would have ignored everything except the beautiful Squaw that Kirk hooked up with. Played by the stunningly beautiful Playboy Bunny and later California state senator Sabrina Scharf and her legs that just goes on and on and on...

It's easily the best TOS episode of them all!



As for TNG ... yes it is "The Inner Light". This episode is perhaps the best example of what I was babbling about in that other Star Trek thread. There is very little action in this episode, very little "science", very few special effects. Star Trek is about the people and the often hard choices they have to make, NOT the technobabble and the space battles and effects ... those are just scenery. Despite some bad acting now and then the cast works very well together and with such a strong lead actor as Patrick Stewart (a Shakespearean nothing less)  TNG has managed to pull off ... in my opinion ... some of the most moving and thought provoking television ever.

The "Chain of Command" two-part episode is my second favorite ... again almost entirely carried by Stewart's great talent for acting ... where Picard is tortured by the Cardassians. Seeing the almost broken Picard defyingly yell "there are four lights!" to his torturer was heartbreaking and shocking. Never before had Picard been so vulnerable and stripped bare of all but his integrity.

[LePaul]

The one thing I hate about the TNG Enterprise....seldom, if effort, can it ever kick butt.  Two phaser hits and Jordi is yelling "Coolant leak"  Flagship my butt...the thing has a bum radiator!

At least with Voyager, frequently it hugely outgunned the bad guys and kicked butt.

Anyways....just noticing how the "Enterprise" in general seems to always suck.

[Saxman]

Well, point of order in Generations was that the Enterprise was largely destroyed through treachery. Fair fight 1701-D would have waporized that Bird of Prey the instant she uncloaked.

Has anyone else noticed that phasers were essentially forgotten in the movies? The only time they were ever used in the films was Star Trek II.

[Meatwad]

Originally posted by Viking

I guess its just me, but they all remind me of Gumby from Monty Python

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Saxman
waporized  

Is that you Chekov?

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Is that you Chekov?

"look Keptin, an enemy wessel, shall I waperiz it?"