Author Topic: My New Concealed Carry Weapon Arrived in the Mail Today (Read 1491 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #15 on:** December 11, 2007, 08:19:19 AM »

Do you need a permit to carry it concealed?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #16 on:** December 11, 2007, 12:31:49 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
But that would mean giving an instant death sentence, at a time when more states are moving to outlaw the death penalty, like New Jersey currently is.

If I shoot my .45 at someone, I am pretty certain that they are going to probably die.

SIG 220

That's also why you should get a chest freezer and towable industrial wood chipper.

Airscrew · « **Reply #17 on:** December 11, 2007, 01:03:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
That's also why you should get a chest freezer and towable industrial wood chipper.

yep, ya never know when a wood chipper will come in handy

Tigeress · « **Reply #18 on:** December 11, 2007, 01:17:26 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
But that would mean giving an instant death sentence, at a time when more states are moving to outlaw the death penalty, like New Jersey currently is.

If I shoot my .45 at someone, I am pretty certain that they are going to probably die.

SIG 220

There is a vivid difference between a "death sentence" which would connotate a moral judgment and who should be making that judgment, as contrasted to cause and affect in a shooting situation in progress, in my well considered opinion.

If a man were holding a gun and is about to shoot your child and he has already shot other people's children who are laying dead and dying and you had a concealed gun, what would you do?

This is an effort to empathize in another way... empathy for your child's life over the live of a gunman in the act of killing your child.

In my view it is morally justified and your duty to take that gunman down.

I can understand that you are a moral person and do not wish to take life unnecessarily... there is a lot to be considered with an open mind.

A taser will probably not kill a person; a gun probably would.
Will the taser protect you and your family from a gang of three?

What if it doesn't work for some simple reasons like its winter time and the bad guys beant on harming you or your family are wearing thick coats which prevents the darts from making electrical contact with skin?

When deciding taser or firearm, will your life or the lives of others hang in the balance depending on your decision?

The police aren't using tasers on people with guns who are shooting at people... and for a lot of reasons I can think of.

If a kid was bashing my child with a baseball bat and I could not separate them and had a taser and a concealed gun, I would use the taser... no question.

TIGERESS

Jackal1 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 11, 2007, 01:25:40 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
cracks me up.. the same guys who tell me that 5 shots from a j frame and accuracy "only" out to about 50 yards and a .357 round are all marginal for self defense are now touting the tazer with it's 15 foot range and no accuracy and single shot capacity as being great.

I would think that when you tazed one of the bad guys (if you hit him) the other ones would get really mad.

lazs

Yeah.......but at that point you can make really mean and scary faces at them.
That will work. I`m sure Tazer Intl. will be issuing an instruction book with pictures in the near future to cover this. You will probably have to call them and get approved for a fee though.
I`m sort of surprised that they didn`t offer, as a holiday bonus, one of them emergency whistles at no extra charge. Man........them things are teh scarrrrrryyyyyyy.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #20 on:** December 11, 2007, 04:07:48 PM »

so no one knows if you need a permit to carry it concealed?

Shuffler · « **Reply #21 on:** December 11, 2007, 04:16:52 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
Actually, that is a misconception, as it seldom happens in actual use, according to Taser International. While they are probably somewhat biased, I'm sure that they would not misrepresent their product at all.

The probes are designed to be able to penetrate a full inch of clothing. That should be plenty in almost all situations.

SIG 220

Forget Taser international and do some prospecting.... it happens quite often. Of course we all hope to never have to use any of these....

Hornet33 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 11, 2007, 04:57:44 PM »

A Tazer is a nice tool in the arsenal of LEO's but they ALWAYS have a firearm as a backup. It's a scaled use of force. Most LEO's I know and the training I received as a Coast Guard bording team member teach this. Minimum force necesary to compel compliance.

My boarding kit weapons load out consisted of 1 can OC Pepper Spray (military grade), 1 expandable baton (asp), 1 9mm Berreta M9 handgun with 3 spare mags, and I usualy carried the shotgun with 30 rounds of 00 buck and 10 rounds of either foam baton, or bean bag less than leathal ammo.

If a subject refused to follow directions and was unarmed but combative we would first use the OC spray. If that didn't work, scale up the the Asp and crack him over the thigh, right across the perinial nerve (that will drop just about anyone), and if that doesn't work then you move into lethal force territory with a firearm and employ the less than lethal munitions. Never heard of anyone getting to that point though.

But if a subject has a weapon, knife, gun, or some sort of blunt force intrument and is within 21 feet of any of our team member, lethal force is authorised immediately.

I only did one boarding where I thought I might have to shoot a guy. We had the crew mustered on the fantail of this fishing boat and this guy popped up out of one of the holds with a huge freaking knife in his hand. Myself and one of the other team member both drew our pistols and started screaming at the guy to drop the knife. He was as scared as we were. Turned out he was down below cutting some line to tie up some loose gear on deck and didn't realize we had come aboard for a routine search. Had he continued coming out of the hold with that knife though we would have dropped him right then and there since he was only about 10 feet away from us.

SIG220 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 11, 2007, 05:30:59 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
cracks me up.. the same guys who tell me that 5 shots from a j frame and accuracy "only" out to about 50 yards and a .357 round are all marginal for self defense are now touting the tazer with it's 15 foot range and no accuracy and single shot capacity as being great.

I would think that when you tazed one of the bad guys (if you hit him) the other ones would get really mad.

lazs

I'm afraid that you are clearly confusing me with some other SIG pistol fan. I think Smith and Wesson J frame pistols are great little self-defense guns.

The .357 is also a fantastic self defense round. When used with the lighter 110 to 125 gr bullets, no other handgun round has a better one stop shot record than the .357, including the .45 ACP.

Please don't put words in my mouth again.

SIG 220

SIG220 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 11, 2007, 05:33:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Do you need a permit to carry it concealed?

Several states ban any civilian ownership of it, and a couple do require permits.

About 40 states have no restrictions on carrying it concealed, and require no permit. So it depends on where you live.

The Taser Website has full details on such legal issues.

SIG 220

SIG220 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 11, 2007, 05:37:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Shuffler
Forget Taser international and do some prospecting.... it happens quite often. Of course we all hope to never have to use any of these....

Well, I could say the exact same thing to you. Illustrate a single case where this has happened.

The probes don't necessarily have to embed in the skin to deliver the shock. They just need to get close enough to the skin for the voltage to reach it.

SIG 220

SIG220 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 11, 2007, 05:58:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
A Tazer is a nice tool in the arsenal of LEO's but they ALWAYS have a firearm as a backup.

Well, my little sister in California cannot carry a handgun, due to the restrictive laws there. The local sheriff in her county virtually never issues CCW permits, unless you are someone with a major reason to have one, like a judge, for instance.

So I also ordered one for her, which she will be getting for Christmas. Here is a look at it, in the packaging that the civilian taser comes in:

She is only 5'1" and very petite. She is also a widow with two kids, one still in elementary school, and one a freshman in high school. Her husband unfortunately past away from colon cancer a few years ago.

The Taser will certainly increase her ability to defend herself significantly.

SIG 220

Tigeress · « **Reply #27 on:** December 11, 2007, 08:22:49 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
Well, my little sister in California cannot carry a handgun, due to the restrictive laws there. The local sheriff in her county virtually never issues CCW permits, unless you are someone with a major reason to have one, like a judge, for instance.

So I also ordered one for her, which she will be getting for Christmas. Here is a look at it, in the packaging that the civilian taser comes in:

She is only 5'1" and very petite. She is also a widow with two kids, one still in elementary school, and one a freshman in high school. Her husband unfortunately past away from colon cancer a few years ago.

The Taser will certainly increase her ability to defend herself significantly.

SIG 220

Bless you SIG,

Very thoughtful and generous. And, she will no doubt feel more secure.

TIGERESS

Pooh21 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 11, 2007, 08:48:08 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
Well, telescoping rods like that are not legal for civilians to carry here where I live.

If that is anywhere near Tigard then you misinterpreted me. I carry a nerf bat. for lulz

SIG220 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 12, 2007, 02:25:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Tigeress
Bless you SIG,

Very thoughtful and generous. And, she will no doubt feel more secure.

TIGERESS

You would not know that we are related to look at us, as there is a 13 inch difference in our height.

Here is a photo of me, with her on the right side of the photo. You can see how petite she is. On the left side of the picture, is my niece from my older sister.

SIG 220