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Offline Coshy

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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2007, 07:02:41 PM »
Its simple really, I'm not sure why all this fuss.

A private establishment should, and does, have the right to say "No Guns", the same way they have the right to say "No Skateboards". You don't like their policy, you are free to shop, worship, attend, or carouse elsewhere.

No government (state, local, federal) has the right to infringe upon your right to bear arms in any government building (post office, dmv, courthouse, ABC store, etc) or in a private establishment (bar, church, movie theater, etc). But they do it anyway, because the sheeple love abiding by signs.
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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2007, 07:24:59 PM »
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I didn't read this whole thread yet...just the opening remarks by her majesty Tigress:D

Where I live , and this is just saying  , not discussing LAW abiding...

There are not very many places I can remember if ANY that have a detector for wepons. Courhouses yeah....But to be blunt....

I could take my 9mm in my STATE OFFICE BUILDING ANYTIME and no one would know. And there are Troopers all over the place.

The ONLY time having a gun in a No gun zone around here would matter is if you pulled it.

Retaurants...ALOT of office buildings.....Most ANY place you go....you could have it.

I could carry a gun in church anytime.

Now do I think you should be able to carry in a church? Sure....but the real question here is ......How the hell we have gotten to the point as a nation and society that we would even CONTINPLATE it.


I admit my cheeks turned red when I read your opening line lol
But some of them gun boys can get rowdy, thass all. :p
Plus religion always seems to spark contention it seems.

911 changed our lives forever...

Also we have nut cases looking for something to do as well coupled with endless blogs on the net and 24/7/365 cable news channels spewing the same thing in a loop over and over again also constitute what has changed in our lives, imv.

School shootings; church shootings; mall shootings change the nature of our lives and I for one am tired of being a potential walking talking target.

I don't own a gun; have never owned a gun; don't know that I will ever own a gun... but I might as some point. I really care less about guns for the sake of guns... I care about my welfare and that of innocent people.

A church as a Gun Free Zone is a potential death trap as I have learned.

When this country was born; in was in the soil of a wild untamed land and people had to pull together to survive.

In a way, we seem to be repeating history to a degree.

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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2007, 07:31:12 PM »
"no guns signs"

one afternoon, needing to quench my thirst, i stopped in a biker bar out on the beach. At the front door was a sign that said, "no guns, knives, blackjacks, clubs, or any weapons allowed inside".

i wonder if the patrons really obeyed the sign or if the sign was just there to protect the owner's liability.

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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2007, 10:07:09 PM »
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Agreed! You have the right not to go to that church if you disagree with it's thoughts or beliefs. So your rights are still preserved.


I don't go to church. I don't dig on organized religion. My mom however, works at a Church, so unfortunately I have swing into one on occasion. Never for service thankfully.

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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2007, 11:44:01 PM »
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In my view, God gave us all the responsibility and means to defend ourselves from predators.


Just as he gave us the means to have  gay sex.

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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2007, 05:47:02 AM »
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Just as he gave us the means to have  gay sex.


Is there a point you are making?

If it makes you happier, let me change "In my view, God gave us all the responsibility and means to defend ourselves from predators." to "In my view, God gave us all the responsibility and instincts to defend ourselves from predators."

Better? :)

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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2007, 07:17:37 AM »
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Is there a point you are making?



No.

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« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2007, 09:52:40 AM »
Exiting the closet there thrawn?
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« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2007, 12:20:58 PM »
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Exiting the closet there thrawn?



...mmmmmaybe.

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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2007, 04:52:34 PM »
I say pack in church. God expects us to fight evil.
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« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2007, 05:02:19 PM »
Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition

Origin of the Song
According to the song a chaplain ("sky pilot") was with some fighting men who were being attacked by an enemy. (Generally given at the time to be the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.) He was asked to say a prayer for the men who were engaged in the firing at the on-coming Japanese planes. The chaplain; the song went on to infer, put down his bible, manned one of the ship's gun turrets and begin firing back, saying, "Praise The Lord and pass the ammunition". Now; however, there are no facts available setting the story straight.

According to the writer, Jack S. McDowall, through the years the lyrics of the song have generally credited "a chaplain" manning the gun turrets of a ship, while under attack. "This was not true". says, McDowell.

For some time, long after the attack at Pearl Harbor, stories and reports continued to pop-up about the incident, involving a chaplain who was to have uttered the now famous words, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."

These stories eventually made their way through the servicemen back to the press. The press, as McDowell noted, . . . led some writers erroneously to identify other chaplains as authors of the phrase.

Nonetheless, the real Chaplain, Howell Forgy, aboard the USS New Orleans; during the Japanese attack, was that Chaplain. He was a Lieutenant (j.g.) on that Sunday morning in December, 1941.

Another Lieutenant who had been in charge of an ammunition line on the USS New Orleans during the attack remembered.

"I heard a voice behind me saying, Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. I turned and saw Chaplain Forgy walking toward me along the line of men. He was patting the men on the back and making that remark to cheer them and keep them going. I know it helped me a lot, too", he said.

Another Lieutenant j.g. said, the men aboard the USS New Orleans would thereafter kid Chaplain Forgy about the role he played whenever they heard the song that had been written. They also encouraged him to set the record straight as to who actually said what. According to that same Lieutenant the Chaplain would decline, saying he felt "the episode should remain a legend rather than be associated with any particular person." Author McDowell said that press reporters were eventually permitted to interview men of the USS New Orleans involved in the "ammunition" story. Chaplain Forgy's superior officers set up a meeting with some of the press and; at last, the real story of the song and the man who had inspired it was finally confirmed.

In 1942, a recording by The Merry Macs reached number 8 on the Billboard chart. The 1943 version by Kay Kyser and His Orchestra reached number 1.

Loesser donated his royalties for sale of the song to the Navy Relief Society.

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Mac

Hmmmm Nuff said?

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« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2007, 05:03:51 PM »
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You're in a pretty sad situation if you need guns at the chuch to protect yourself from the guns.


Fortunately, such incidents are so statistically rare that packing in church is more of luxury to ease a fear of the improbable than an actual need. Definitely a right that should exist should that exceedingly rare event ever take place, but not a real life practical concern for most worshipers.

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« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2007, 05:20:33 PM »
Just for you, Mac!

Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition-Kay Kyser-1943-78RPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJFSNTCNjOM

A modern day video downloadable via the internet of a 1943 78 rpm  phonograph on a period phonograph player. dang...

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EDIT: I mistook the player for a pure mechanical one... that wasn't the case.

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« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2007, 05:45:45 PM »
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Just for you, Mac!

Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition-Kay Kyser-1943-78RPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJFSNTCNjOM

A modern day video downloadable via the internet of a 1943 78 rpm phonograph playing on a non-electric wind-up phonograph player. dang...

TIGERESS


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Coo

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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2007, 05:37:16 AM »
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You're in a pretty sad situation if you need guns at the chuch to protect yourself from the guns.


                      We arent protecting ourselves from guns. Were protecting ourselves from evil people. Good lord why would we have to protect ourselves from a tool?
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