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Offline Slash27

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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2007, 09:36:17 AM »
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Too bad it's just a drop against the "enforcer class" of society that is out of control.

For example...



This **** has to stop.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2007, 10:17:54 AM »
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Could you clarify this more, you're saying that if a police officer tries to tazer you, you'll kill him?


No, he's saying that if the cops try to use unnecessary force on him, they better not miss.
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2007, 11:12:05 AM »
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Flatbar, the problem is, is that Politically Correct over-zealous, over-protection of children in school is undoing itself. If a child decides that they wish to take the day off of school, all he has to do is walk up to another child and either push them, or use a racial or ethnic slur, and Bingo, a day off! Schools don't do what they used to; where you got sent to a detention, or had to write a bazillion sentences on a chalkboard, or had to spend the day in a desk in the principles' office. There is actually an incentive to do mayhem with the current system.


Wait, you DON'T have a problem with a 10 year-old walking around school with a steak knife she brought from home?  Or is the child's arrest the issue?
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2007, 11:20:02 AM »
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Wait, you DON'T have a problem with a 10 year-old walking around school with a steak knife she brought from home?  Or is the child's arrest the issue?


a knife is not the problem, what she does with the knife is the problem.
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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2007, 11:27:04 AM »
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Wait, you DON'T have a problem with a 10 year-old walking around school with a steak knife she brought from home?  Or is the child's arrest the issue?


For this simple reason, Mickey.

The 10-year old girl brought the knife and used it as intended-to cut food.

She did'nt walk into the cafeteria and sink it Hilt-deep into the closest student, did she?

When it was observed she was using cutlery, It should have been left at that.

If you want to follow that line of reasoning, should I cut my 12-year old's steak for him at the restaraunt? "O noes, a child in public with a knife!!!"

The article DID NOT say that she was "walking around" with the knife. She was only using it at lunch.
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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2007, 11:29:10 AM »
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For this simple reason, Mickey.

The 10-year old girl brought the knife and used it as intended-to cut food.

She did'nt walk into the cafeteria and sink it Hilt-deep into the closest student, did she?

When it was observed she was using cutlery, It should have been left at that.

If you want to follow that line of reasoning, should I cut my 12-year old's steak for him at the restaraunt? "O noes, a child in public with a knife!!!"

The article DID NOT say that she was "walking around" with the knife. She was only using it at lunch.
Agree.
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2007, 11:32:21 AM »
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Could you clarify this more, you're saying that if a police officer tries to tazer you, you'll kill him?


Anyone means Anyone.

I've made my views on the tazer clear in other threads here.
And I have also made it clear the utmost respect that I DO have for cops.
God bless em. Its a job I would never want.

But

If ANYONE attempts to use a tazer on me I will view it as an attempt on my life and will respond accordingly in self defence.

Now odds are it will never ever come to that.
As I've always been pretty co operative with the police.

But in a scenareo such as the the topic of the thread.
That would change
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2007, 11:36:33 AM »
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Eight days in jail, a strike on his record for taking the tazer, and court costs
Doesn`t seem like much of a victory to me considering the cops had no right to be where they were to begin with.


Personally I dont think he should have been found guilty of taking the tazer either.
Self defence

If Im defending myself or my family.
The one thing Im not going to do is let you hold onto the thing you can use to hurt me
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2007, 11:51:18 AM »
Sounds like it was a directed judgement, so he should be protected from double jeopardy and it should be functionally identical to not-guilty in his record.  Sure hope so.
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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2007, 01:18:56 PM »
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Too bad it's just a drop against the "enforcer class" of society that is out of control.

For example...


Arresting a 10 yr old for cutting their food with a knife.....unfreakingbelievabl e.
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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2007, 02:46:43 PM »
If some civilian putz-subpoena-server was denied entry to a residence, would HE be allowed to use force to gain entry?
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2007, 03:01:15 PM »
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Flatbar, the problem is, is that Politically Correct over-zealous, over-protection of children in school is undoing itself. If a child decides that they wish to take the day off of school, all he has to do is walk up to another child and either push them, or use a racial or ethnic slur, and Bingo, a day off! Schools don't do what they used to; where you got sent to a detention, or had to write a bazillion sentences on a chalkboard, or had to spend the day in a desk in the principles' office. There is actually an incentive to do mayhem with the current system.


Sure that's a problem, I was addressing the assertion that it was the LEO's who were at fault for having to arest the girl for bringing a knife to school in that story.
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2007, 03:05:04 PM »
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The Deputies were not "enforcing the law."  They were trying to serve civil papers.  In the process they unlawfully entered/trespassed on private property with out legal warrant.  IMO, they got what they deserved and less than what I would have rendered them in the same situation.

Knives in school?  When I was a young child my proudest possession was a Cub Scout pocket knife.  I carried it to school and showed it to my friends.  I did not fold the blade out.  Common sense, school rules, and instructions from my parents forbade doing so.  Heck, these days if the children want to play cops and robbers, point a finger and say bang, they are expelled.


I was addressing the knife in school story, didn't comment on the other because of the lack of info from all parties. I also wasn't commenting on the lack if common sense of some of the zero tollerence rules that schools have introduced with the exception of weapons.
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2007, 03:07:47 PM »
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Arresting a 10 yr old for cutting their food with a knife.....unfreakingbelievabl e.


Myopic responses are unfargingbelievable also.
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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2007, 04:35:30 PM »
why did that guy still have a bill to pay after 8 days as well in jail, being free of charges???
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