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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2007, 03:54:14 PM »
hell YES!  Look at that climb rate!  Max speed is pretty damn respectable down low as well!  

Wonder what the acceleration on that bad boy would've been when you slapped in the WEP.  Musta been awesome.
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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2007, 05:44:32 PM »
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Yup... I seem to remember a certain Spit driver that flipped to the darkside.

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Offline LilMak

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P-47 which is the best and best way to use it?
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2007, 08:16:50 PM »
I've been flying the Jug (mostly the d-40) this tour and I've found it to be a pretty capable fighter. Like many of the American rides, it seems to be a multi purpose bird. When you design a plane to do many things, it is capable of filling all the roles competently but doesn't excel in any one area. The strengths of the p-47 are its gun package, high altitude performance, it's dive ability, and overall versatility.

Gun package.

I've read many places that the six gun option makes the plane a better pure fighter. I tend to both agree and disagree with this assessment. If you have some down time one day I suggest you grab a D-11 with the 8 gun load out. Take off and establish a good climb. As you climb out, rock the wings several times and get a feel for the weight of everything. Also watch the rate of climb. When you're done, go back to the hangar and try the 6  gun load out and do the same thing. With the lighter gun package, you will notice that the plane feels light and climbs better. It's very noticeable. With either package, always take the full ammo load. Too many bullets is always better than too few.

High alt performance

The P-47 only gets better with altitude (especially the N model). The higher you go the more of a threat you become to anything flying. Unfortunately, in the MA, you won't encounter many fights in the thin air. The good thing is the Thunderbolt is a wicked bomber killer. So if you feel like climbing to the nose bleed section, bring 8 guns and plenty of gas for hunting.

Dive ability

Nothing will out dive a Jug. When you push that big heavy nose over, it dives like a meteor and remains controllable up to the speed of sound.

Overall versatility

The ord loads available to the Jug are awesome. It's perfect for leveling bases, can almost single handedly destroy a town, or just wreak havoc to GVs.

All this being said this is the way I roll my jug...

I stick almost exclusively to the D-40.

As a fighter.

I load the 8 gun package because, I feel, the gains from leaving the extra guns in the hangar don't override the snap shot ability of the extra two guns in the wings. When I get down and dirty in a fight with another fighter, I feel that I have to be able to put them down fast if I get the shot. When you get in a turn war in a Jug, you only have a few turns before you get bled of enough E for just about any plane to be able to gain your six. Use the flaps sparingly unless you get really slow. Then don't be afraid to get leave them down. You can use the Jugs tendency to "wallow" to your advantage by making many planes overshoot. Even when you are both slow you can still make them overshoot. I will not hesitate to stay in 1 v 1 fight even after I get slow. When there are multiple cons around I do my best to keep my speed up because the P-47 does draw a crowd and many people like to pounce you thinking that it's an easy kill. Which it most certainly is when there are 6 cons beating on your back door spraying at the big T-Bolt. I also try to keep fighting down hill (if I can), because it dives really well and keeping the nose down and keeping it's speed up (sort of) evens the turning ability when compared to other fighters. Give yourself an out when in multiple con engagements. Set yourself a low limit (like 3k) and when you reach that limit. Dive out of the engagement and come back with more E.

As a Hunter (bomber killer).

Top off the tanks. Grab the drop tanks. Set convergence further out and to a single point. Climb to 20k+. Dive on bombers from high angles and shred them to pieces.

In the attack role.
I load ord based on what I plan to accomplish.

My standard ord package is 2 1000lb bombs 10 rockets and a drop tank. When I bring this package to a base I either target one hangar or ammo bunkers and Ack. I rarely kill radar anymore because I like the bad guys to know where I'm at. It's easier for me to find fights (or for them to find me) that way.

When I plan to level a town, I swap the drop tank in the above package for the extra 500lb bomb. With all that ord and the 8 .50s I can level a town pretty much by myself.

For GV killing, I load 3 500bls bombs and the 10 rockets. I save the rockets for light armor and use the eggs for the heavy armor.


P.S. Those were some fun Jug fights last night RedTop.
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2007, 09:54:59 PM »
Yes they were....some of the best in a good while. Your write up is spot on as well.

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« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2007, 11:09:50 AM »
Nice write up, dude!  

The cool thing about the Jugs we have here is they all have their uses.

I'd *really* encourage you to take up the D-11 with a 50% gas and drop tank option, and head to a fight a sector away.  

Come in between 12 and 17K, play your cards right, and you're unstoppable.  Niki's, Typhoons, Zekes, 190's, Runstangs- they're all your *****.  Doesn't matter.  If you dive right where you need to, they'll never see it coming.

Also- turning is something I try not to do.  In the Jug, the best weapon I've found to use is the Lag Pursuit Roll.  That is just DEADLY against spitfires and other fast turners.

Ah well.  rambling.   back to work! :cool:
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« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2007, 08:35:53 PM »
P-47 best plane in game..... i consider myself good in the P-47, but, probably the BEST P-47 pilot i have ever seen is Jensk, this guy will freakin mow down spitfires like there parked on the runway


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How do you know it has a paddle prop?
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2007, 08:44:34 PM »
I see some of you mentioning that different models of the P-47 had a paddle prop.  I'm aware of this being a historical fact, but how do you know that it is as such in the game?  Is there information on this somewhere on Hitech's website?  Or is it that you are certain that those planes are modeled as they were in reality?  Just curious.  

Personally, I have had some success in the D11 as well as the D25 and D40.
I have not flown the N model very much but I have deduced that it doesn't seem to handle as well as the earlier models and is not worth very much when WEP runs out.

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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2007, 07:08:44 AM »
maybe im wrong but someone told me one of them has dive flaps, is this true? if so which one?

oh and i mainly fly the n model or if eny is to high the d40
i use the n in jabo because the extra engine power really helps when your carrying tons of fuel ammo and bombs.
i like the d11 as a fighter and the d40 in both roles never flew the d25 (i think thats the one with the flaps)
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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2007, 10:38:20 AM »
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maybe im wrong but someone told me one of them has dive flaps, is this true? if so which one?

oh and i mainly fly the n model or if eny is to high the d40
i use the n in jabo because the extra engine power really helps when your carrying tons of fuel ammo and bombs.
i like the d11 as a fighter and the d40 in both roles never flew the d25 (i think thats the one with the flaps)
D40 has dive flaps..."N" only has extra engine power if you have wep on, otherwise its same as D40 with a couple thousand pounds more weight to lug about---load them with similar amounts of fuel + full ord loadout, and see what default climb rate gets you  (I dont think "N" NEEDS dive flaps, larger wing/fuselage seems to allow the plane to reach absurd speeds in dive before it starts compressing)
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Re: How do you know it has a paddle prop?
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2007, 10:24:08 PM »
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I see some of you mentioning that different models of the P-47 had a paddle prop.  I'm aware of this being a historical fact, but how do you know that it is as such in the game?  Is there information on this somewhere on Hitech's website?  Or is it that you are certain that those planes are modeled as they were in reality?  Just curious.


Aces High seems to be modeled on how planes came "out of the factory"- as such only certain models got the paddle blade prop.

The first -47 model to get the paddle blade was the P-47D-15.  It's virtually identical to the D-11, but it got wing racks added as well.  What Aces High DOESN'T include is that the D-11's in service were all retrofitted with the new prop mere months after it's introduction.  Shame, really- the D-11 would benefit a great deal from a hydrodynamic paddle blade.

 
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Personally, I have had some success in the D11 as well as the D25 and D40.
I have not flown the N model very much but I have deduced that it doesn't seem to handle as well as the earlier models and is not worth very much when WEP runs out. [/B]


The N model is a very tricky beast to fly- I generally only use it for Bomber hunting or ground pounding when I have to cross half the damn map to get there.  It's an awesome plane- but without that WEP, she goes from being Marion Jones to a 500 pound Fatkin's client with asthma.
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« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2007, 03:59:16 PM »
I am a recent convert to flying the jug.  I was in an extremely long slump, nearly 2 months.  Out of sheer frustration I jumped into a jug one day and landed 5 kills.  "Knowing" this was just luck I upped again.  Landed 4. Maybe there is somethign to this monstrosity after all.  

Now I love the jug.  You just have to fly smart with it and avoid getting stuck without altitude to run away with.  I fly the D-40 the most and occasionally all of the others.