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Offline BaldEagl

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2007, 02:20:12 PM »
I wonder if you could see it's profile on the little screen on the metal detector.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2007, 02:27:24 PM »
We bought a metal detector for my son for Christmas.  Highly unlikey he will find something like that though.

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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2007, 05:25:25 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2007, 06:51:14 PM »
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Restored StuG III in Finland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XWFHCd1aNw
The announcer said that 59 of Sturmgeschützs were acquired from Germany 1943-44, of which almost all made it to the decisive battles at the Karelian isthmus. The StuG which appears on the video was at the Tali-Ihantala battle and took a hit to the tracks (June 23rd'ish, mid-Summer) from a Soviet tank. The StuGs in Finnish service destroyed 82 of enemy tanks for 8 StuGs lost. The announcer then continues with some technical specs and then the Leopard enters the stage.

I just was at the movies this week to see the movie Tali-Ihantala 1944, it featured some T-34 and Sturmgeschütz action. And of course there was the FlugWerk FW-190 A8/N, in the colours and markings of Oberst Erich Rudorffer, JG 54, when stationed at Immola/Finland. Plus some original war time footage (109's, Ju-88's, Stukas and a lot more).
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2007, 07:15:37 PM »
Was the film any good?

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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2007, 07:35:28 PM »
Wow that was a nice find and it's amazing well preserved. It's a mean looking tank too..
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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2007, 12:05:34 AM »
was checking out that site and there are a few other tanks there as well. I think these are some sort of Japanese light armor. Shame to see them just rusting away.




http://www.detektorweb.cz/index.4me?s=show&lang=1&i=12361&mm=2&xb=2&vd=1

and another that's being restored..

http://www.detektorweb.cz/index.4me?s=show&lang=1&i=12309&mm=2&xb=2&vd=1

lots of various ww2 stuff in this one..(all on display)

http://www.detektorweb.cz/index.4me?s=show&lang=1&i=11539&mm=2&xb=2&vd=1

A Tiger 1 among others

http://www.detektorweb.cz/index.4me?s=show&lang=1&i=10936&mm=2&xb=2&vd=1
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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2007, 04:54:14 AM »
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Was the film any good?


Unfortunately it is the worst war-movie ever made in Finland.... (IMHO)

Nice documentary anyway.
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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2007, 04:56:30 AM »
Lots of stugs  and other...

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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2007, 10:37:50 AM »
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I have read of planes bulldozed in a pit and buried in Germany after the war. I wonder if they are still there to be found or were they dug up and melted into something "useful"...

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Horrible to think about in this day of million dollar warbirds. But, I'd bet those planes are good and gone. Not only would the bulldozing cause way more damage to aluminum components than it did to steel armor plate, but as I recall most aircraft materials from the 40s are pretty unstable in contact with moisture and dirt. I remember reading that magnesium components simply dissolve, and aluminum alloys get incredibly brittle with time and exposure. Even with fairly preserved warbirds, repair shops have to custom mill so many replacement parts that the original pieces are often in the minority by the time they're done with the work.


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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2007, 10:49:50 AM »
I suspect the same fate awaited many planes at the end of the war. On the other hand, had they not disposed of so many, they'd be no more out of the ordinary than old cars or pieces of farm equipment that are more prevalent in this day and age. We'd probably take them for granted were that the case, an even bigger tragedy.
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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2007, 12:17:21 PM »
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WWII color footage of StuG III's

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1229412400
The one they show in the first half appears to be the assault variant with the 105mm howitzer.  Looks too big to be a 75mm.
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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2007, 03:47:56 PM »
I don't think so E25280. The 10.5 cm Sturmhaubitze 42 had a much longer barrel, and usually with a muzzle brake.

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« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2007, 02:02:02 AM »
I could be over-estimating the barrel width, but if you look at the linked site almost all the way to the bottom (the two before the pic of the one at the Golan Heights), there are 105mm versions that look to me to be the one in the film.

The barrel in the film is too long to be the 75mm howitzer versions shown on the site at the beginning, and it certainly doesn't look like the long 75's used on the later versions.

The site took a long time to load for me, so you may have to be patient.  Let me know what you think.

http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_StuG_StuH.pdf


<> I also found this quote . . . granted, it is from Wiki, but . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmhaubitze_42

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The StuH 42 mounted a variant of the 10.5 cm leFH 18 howitzer, modified to be electrically fired and fitted with a muzzle brake. Later models were built from StuG III G chassis as well as StuG III F and F/8 chassis. The muzzle brake was often deleted as well because of the scarcity of resources.


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http://www.germanwarmachine.com/weapons/artillery/stugiiiausf.htm
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The first vehicles had a version of the StuH 42 with a muzzle brake, but later machines were equipped with a howitzer not fitted with a muzzle brake and incapable of firing supercharge ammunition.


So it would appear the lack of muzzle brake does not exclude the possibility it is a 10.5cm version.  (D'oh -- just saw you said "usually.")

lol -- it's late, I better stop obsessing . . .
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