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Offline Tigeress

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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2007, 12:23:19 PM »
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I was under the impression that the guns where taken from abandoned houses .  If you legally owned a gun, you could go and pick yours back up at the police station.  That seems pretty reasonable to me.


In looking into all this I found multiply sitings of the same thing this site reports...

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/0506r/

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In the chaotic aftermath of the storm, New Orleans Police Superintendent P. Edwin Compass III announced that all privately owned firearms would be seized. "No one will be able to be armed. Guns will be taken," Compass declared. "Only law enforcement [will be] allowed to have weapons."

Louisiana, like many other states, issues concealed carry weapons permits to law-abiding individuals. Compass's order did not distinguish between stolen guns and legally owned guns; therefore, he was in violation of Louisiana statute.

After the confiscation order was issued, police and National Guard personnel began searching empty houses for firearms, and TV camera crews filmed numerous instances of forced entry.

California TV station KTVU captured on videotape the most disturbing gun-confiscation incident. An 82-year-old woman stood in her small kitchen, surrounded by police in tactical gear and several TV cameramen. In the open palm of her hand she held a knife and a small revolver. Neither of the weapons was pointed at the police officers.

The police ordered her to hand over the two weapons. When she did not immediately comply with the order, she was gang tackled by three burly police officers, who pinned her to the kitchen floor. The officers then hustled her out to a flatbed truck, lifted her aboard and drove away.

Some police officers told reporters that the confiscation order was issued after Army, Coast Guard and police helicopters were fired upon while flying over the city. It is reasonable to assume that the shooters responsible for these attacks used illegal firearms, which would not simply be handed over when the police and National Guard knocked on the door.

There certainly was no shortage of guns available to criminals. In the wake of the storm, more than 1,000 guns were stolen from gun dealers in Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi. Only about 130 of these weapons were recovered.

(The Associated Press also reported that some police officers asked if they could borrow guns from citizens. The officers explained that they were outgunned during running street battles with armed criminals.)



The New Orleans city government has a long history of antipathy toward private gun ownership, and there are many large cities dominated by anti-gun mayors and city councils. If, God forbid, there is another terrorist attack on a major city, law-abiding gun owners should be prepared for the "New Orleans treatment."

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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2007, 12:24:40 PM »
New Hampshire bill aims to prevent Katrina-style gun seizures--> http://www.infowars.com/articles/2nd_amendment/nh_bill_aims_prevent_katrina_style_gun_grab.htm

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« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2007, 12:32:01 PM »
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I was under the impression that the guns where taken from abandoned houses .  If you legally owned a gun, you could go and pick yours back up at the police station.  That seems pretty reasonable to me.


No.  They took the weapons by force at the point of a gun.


Even AFTER being ordered by the court to return the weapons, the New Orleans police refused to do so, despite several Contempt charges.
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« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2007, 12:40:48 PM »
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The New Orleans city government has a long history of antipathy toward private gun ownership, and there are many large cities dominated by anti-gun mayors and city councils. If, God forbid, there is another terrorist attack on a major city, law-abiding gun owners should be prepared for the "New Orleans treatment."

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I find that interesting in that its legal for us to carry handguns in our vehicles. I have a .45 in my car all the time. No permit needed.
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« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2007, 12:57:03 PM »
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The New Orleans city government has a long history of antipathy toward private gun ownership, and there are many large cities dominated by anti-gun mayors and city councils. If, God forbid, there is another terrorist attack on a major city, law-abiding gun owners should be prepared for the "New Orleans treatment."

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I find that interesting in that its legal for us to carry handguns in our vehicles. I have a .45 in my car all the time. No permit needed.


That appears to be a commentary from the referenced web site and was part of the excerpt from--> http://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/0506r/

...no doubt, a thinly veiled whack at the lefties' attitudes re:gun control.

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« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2007, 01:06:16 PM »
I think it's this sky is falling paranoia that's destroying the country.  Everyone is afraid of there own shadow.  The terrorists are coming and big brother wants to take my guns away. Come on, do you really believe that?

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« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2007, 01:10:19 PM »
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I think it's this sky is falling paranoia that's destroying the country.  Everyone is afraid of there own shadow.  The terrorists are coming and big brother wants to take my guns away. Come on, do you really believe that?


Do I believe that a certain large segment of the government wants to take my firearms? You're damned right I do. And it is quite obvious to anyone paying attention.
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« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2007, 01:24:53 PM »
The sky is falling!!

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« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2007, 01:32:49 PM »
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I think it's this sky is falling paranoia that's destroying the country.  Everyone is afraid of there own shadow.  The terrorists are coming and big brother wants to take my guns away. Come on, do you really believe that?


Actually, I do believe the government really doesn't trust it own law abiding population and doesn't seem to seperate that thinking from criminals who have illegal guns.

What do you think? ...other than mocking the concerns of those who have legal and licensed guns and are not criminals?

Let's talk... I am listening.

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« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2007, 02:05:17 PM »
Has anyone ever came to your house to get your guns?  Other than people concerned about background checks or trigger locks or fully automatic assault rifles , have I  seen any kind of legislation about "gun control" .  I think saying the government is going to take our guns is as far right as someone who would want to take your guns is far left.  It's just not realistic to believe that the government is out to take your guns.  Guns have always been apart of American society and will always be.   Relax and worry about things that are worth worrying about,  like the government taking money away from injured vets, or our ludicrous tax system.

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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2007, 02:23:19 PM »
mojava..  I am sure that you are a troll or possibly a brit who get's found out here from time to time but..  I'll play anyway cause it's fun.

You say no one is coming for our guns yet.. every year more and more guns are banned...  The example of new orleans was of the government breaking into peoples homes and taking away their guns.. more and more cities try to ban guns in your own home.    diane finestien says that if she could get 51 votes she would tell America "turn em in... turn em all in!"  meaning.. take everyones guns.

as for "fully automatic assault weapons" they were never legal the ban was for sporting versions of them not any different and..even less powerful than some that were not banned.

The list of guns that you won't be able to buy next year in kalifornia is pages long and includes some of the highest quality and safest guns ever made.

What you need to do is tell the gun control nuts to quit worrying about moral citizens guns and worry about the things you think are important.   Tell em to quit bringing up new gun control bills and we will quit worrying about them taking our guns away.

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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2007, 02:46:07 PM »
What are some examples of these extreme gun control bills your talking about Laz?

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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2007, 02:55:04 PM »
since you don't even know what an "assault weapon" is it would be pretty hard to tell you.  you seem to know nothing at all about firearms.

Would you say that a complete ban on all handguns in a city... like frisco...  is "extreme"?

Would you say a ban on all semiauto handguns with more than a ten round capacity was "extreme"?  would you say not being able to sell a firearm that didn't microstamp is "extreme"?   would you say that closing 1/4 of kalifornia to lead bullets on the off chance some overgrown buzzard may eat a bullet (even tho scrap lead is everywhere) is "extreme"?

would you say the DC law was "extreme"?  would you say not granting concealed carry permits to law abiding citizens was "extreme"?

Can you name on "sensible" gun law.. one that has been passed that cut down on crime or even gun crime?

any gun law that made things worse or.. did nothing.. wouldn't you define that as a hysterical and "extreme" law?

Not one person was ever killed by a .50 caliber rifle in kalifornia.. yet.. they were banned.. does that not seem a tiny bit hysterical and "extreme"?



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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2007, 02:57:41 PM »
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What are some examples of these extreme gun control bills your talking about Laz?


The "assault weapon":rolleyes: ban. Note to the uninformed, a REAL assault weapon is a select fire medium power carbine, and being select fire it can be fully automatic, and as such, already covered by laws covering fully automatic weapons.

The magazine capacity restrictions. Note to the uninformed, anyone so inclined can learn to swap lower capacity magazines VERY easily, and do it so quickly that it can be done in less than 1 second, without taking their eyes off of the target.

The anti 50BMG rifle laws. Note to the uninformed, rifles chambered in 50BMG are expensive, hard to master, and next to impossible to conceal.
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2007, 02:59:31 PM »
LOL.. we must have been typing a reply at the same time.

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