japanese planes

[Bruv119]

The betty and the TU-2  are must have bombers in my opinion to cover these areas of the planeset.  Both are very capable planes and would be used in the MA.

[Karnak]

Pe-2 would be a better choice than the Tu-2.  It was produced in much larger numbers, and with two or three versions would cover most of the war.  The Tu-2 is 1944-45 only.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Karnak
Pe-2 would be a better choice than the Tu-2.  It was produced in much larger numbers, and with two or three versions would cover most of the war.  The Tu-2 is 1944-45 only.

                       Yeah but a lot happened in '44 & '45 and the TU-2 flew a lot and was produced in large quantities. It was also the best Russian bomber in the war.

                        Many airplanes, or their variants, weren't used until '44 or '45. If this was a criteria we'd have about 1/2 the airplanes that we do. And we have many that made a far less impact then the TU-2 did.

                       I believe both the Pe-2 and TU-2 belong. I want the TU-2 because it was a far more capable airplane.

[E25280]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Many airplanes, or their variants, weren't used until '44 or '45. If this was a criteria we'd have about 1/2 the airplanes that we do. And we have many that made a far less impact then the TU-2 did.

But you defeated your own arguement.  The 44-45 plane set is already well represented, ergo we need more fillers for the mid and especially early war planes.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Yeah but a lot happened in '44 & '45 and the TU-2 flew a lot and was produced in large quantities. It was also the best Russian bomber in the war.

                        Many airplanes, or their variants, weren't used until '44 or '45. If this was a criteria we'd have about 1/2 the airplanes that we do. And we have many that made a far less impact then the TU-2 did.

                       I believe both the Pe-2 and TU-2 belong. I want the TU-2 because it was a far more capable airplane.

The Pe-2 also saw heavy use (heavier than the Tu-2 as a matter of fact) in 1944-45.  That is why I suggested two or three versions of Pe-2 be added.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by E25280
But you defeated your own arguement.  The 44-45 plane set is already well represented, ergo we need more fillers for the mid and especially early war planes.

                     But Russian bombers arent represented at all. So why would you want the less capable one? Or, let me put it this way, if we could only get one why wish for the less capable one?

                     Dont get me wrong, wish for what you want. Myself personaly I probably wouldnt fly the Pe-2 much if at all. And the reason why the late war set is so well represented is because thats what the vast majority of people fly.

                  The TU-2 would be a winner. Big bombload, fast, and well defended. Also it first flew combat in 1941.

[Karnak]

Tu-2 first flew in combat in 1944.  There is an earlier aircraft called a Tu-2 as well, but it isn't the same thing.

The Pe-2 was one of the great aircraft of WWII and quite capable, if not quite as capable as the Tu-2.  I don't know what you are imagining for the Pe-2, but it would do quite well.

As to the Tu-2's defences, three 12.7mm machine guns isn't really "well defended".

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Karnak
Tu-2 first flew in combat in 1944.  There is an earlier aircraft called a Tu-2 as well, but it isn't the same thing.

The Pe-2 was one of the great aircraft of WWII and quite capable, if not quite as capable as the Tu-2.  I don't know what you are imagining for the Pe-2, but it would do quite well.

As to the Tu-2's defences, three 12.7mm machine guns isn't really "well defended".

                     And twin 20mm cannon in the wings. 12.7mm is a big step up from 7.62mm, either way. They called it a lot of things during its career.http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/tu-2.html

[Pannono]

we could use more jap planes, G4M3, Ki-27, Ki-43, Ki-102, B6N2, D4Y4, J2M5

[BigPlay]

No, in the Ki-61 the 20mm cannons are in the cowl and the 12.7mm machine guns are in the wings.

Grab one offline, go to external view and test it.

[edit] Variants
Ki-61
12 original prototypes.
Ki-61-I
The first production version.
Ki-61-Ia
The second production fighter variant. Most were armed with 2 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) and 2 x 12.7 mm (0.50 in) machine guns, but some were fitted with a pair of German 20 mm MG 151 cannon instead of wing machine guns.
Ki-61-Ib
Most armed with 4 x 12.7 mm machine guns, but some were fitted with a pair of German 20 mm MG 151 cannon instead of wing machine guns.
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Featured reinforced wings to permit carrying bombs or external fuel tanks, and had a 190 mm (7.5 in) fuselage stretch, a lightened structure, revised rear fuselage, and a fixed tail wheel. Armament comprised 2 x 20 mm cannon in the nose.[15]
Ki-61-I-KAId
Interceptor variant with 2 x 12.7 mm fuselage machine guns and 2 x 30 mm wing cannon.
Ki-61-II
Prototype with 10% greater wing area and a Ha-140 engine with 1,120 kW (1,500 hp) for takeoff; first flight December 1943; eight built.
Ki-61-II-KAI
Pre-production version with the original wing, a 220 mm (8.7 in) fuselage stretch, enlarged rudder, and Ha-140 engine; 30 built.
Ki-61-II-KAIa
Armed with 2 x 12.7 mm machine guns in the wings and 2 x 20 mm cannon in the fuselage.
Ki-61-II-KAIb
Armed with 4 x 20 mm cannon.
Ki-61-III
One prototype only.
A total of 3,159 Ki-61 were built.[16]

It depends on what model your talking about, not all Ki's had cannons in the fuselage and not all had machine guns.

[Sikboy]

Judy Judy Judy.

In events the IJN will always be victimized from late '42 on, until a capable carrier strike plane is added. Grace is too late, and Jill isn't sexy enough. Bring Judy to the game and let her sink some shipping.



-Sik

[valdals]

i fly mostly japanese planes. the a6m5 is my primary fighter. n1kj for ground attack/bomber intercept.

[Karnak]

It depends on what model your talking about, not all Ki's had cannons in the fuselage and not all had machine guns.

The one we have in the game obviously.  Try thinking a little.

[BigPlay]

The one we have in the game obviously.  Try thinking a little.

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[BaDkaRmA158Th]

Interesting to note..

IJN Type 99 Model 1: 23-26kg  520rpm  550-600m/sec

At roughly 600m/sec that round is very much like the p39's 37mm cannon.It might be worth while getting use to a rapid fire version of that, then learning from the zeke how to set up shots with the p39's cannon.

Hmmm's..worth a look.